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(Opinion) Why is Killing Abortionists Like George Tiller So Wrong?

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you are giving pro-life Americans too much credit! They really DO think like this, many of them, I am sorry to say.

- donnawatkins June 3, 2009 11:20AM

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- Well, crap
  
  There goes a good 15% of my hope for humanity.
  
  - quantummechanik June 3, 2009 11:22AM
  
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  - I hope you are right...
    
    I had the same initial response as you, quantummchanik. I have to presume that the author isn't being facetious, but it sure seems like he might be.
    
    At any rate, please don't take this author's way of thinking as a good example of what most Pro-life activists are like.
    
    All human lives are precious -- including those of abortion doctors ! That understanding is what keeps the Pro-life movement going in the way that it has for several decades now - nonviolent resistance and trying to work within the system to change things for the better.
    
    peace
    
    - dannyboy June 3, 2009 3:55PM
    
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- Mind if I interject?
  
  If you look at Catholics standing outside abortion mills praying rosaries, you will see the more moderate pro-life activists. The church has a longstanding view on the sanctity of life, from conception to natural death. This sanctity extends to the most vile of our society , including serial rapists, murderers, and terrorists. This even extends to euthanasia , a position far more difficult to defend.
  
  - nnadeau June 5, 2009 4:36PM
  
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  - Correct
    
    Whereas i loathe catholics, I find myself in agreement here - even the most wretched of humans should be exempt from torture and death sentence.
    
    - Khannea Suntzu June 8, 2009 11:11AM
    
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- No, you don't think
  
  Donna, you apparently don't know too many pro-life people. The majority of pro-lifers in no way advocate vigilante justice against the likes of Dr. Tiller, no matter how wrong we think he is.
  Pro-choice advocates love to point out that things are never black and white, except when it comes to pro-lifers. According to you, those are the only two colors we see, which could not be further from the truth.
  Don't let fear, ignorance, and prejudice cloud your thinking. Just because I disagree with you, and I feel strongly about my position, as do you, doesn't mean I want you dead. That kind of thinking is ridiculous.
  
  - LagerHead June 16, 2009 9:57AM
  
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- Pro-life not Pro-Death
  
  George Tiller is dead. No more babies to die at his hands! 60,000 innocent lives were taken which God gave to mothers who did not want them. Whata sad legacy to leave behind, so sad that even his church did not mention his occupation in his eulogy. We as pro-lifers believe that life and death should be in the hands of God. When our Lord returns, there will be no more death. Tiller will face his maker then. We all must prepare our hearts and live our lives so we can meet our loved ones in Heaven. Noone should take the chance of being lost because of greed. And greed is what motivates abortionists.
  
  - Alayna Staggers June 23, 2009 1:25PM
  
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  - If you believe death should be in the hands of God
    
    Why are you guys shooting people?
    
    - quantummechanik June 27, 2009 10:01PM
    
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    - Pro-Life Not Pro-Death
      
      It has been acknowledged that the man who shot Tiller acted alone. He was in no way connected to the pro-life movement. "We" do not shoot people. Tiller did take life into his own hands and killed 60,000 babies! Death was his mission and he reaped what he sowed. God took his protective hand off of Tiller (in my opinion) because God knew there was no repentence in Tiller for what he was doing. His death took place in his own church , which was symbolic as we pro-lifers asked the church to discipline Tiller for his acts. His church refused to listen as many still refuse to listen to God's warnings. We are to take heed as God is a loving and righteous God but when His wrath is kindled we have much to fear, just as everyone must face him for all their misdeeds. God is sickened by abortion , the murder of His very precious little ones. Is there really any doubt?
      
      - Alayna Staggers June 28, 2009 3:07PM
      
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      - What is pro-life
        
        You're part of the pro-life movement, I assume. What do you do that makes you part of the pro-life movement? What actions do you take that involves you with that community?
        
        - quantummechanik June 28, 2009 4:47PM
        
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        "Mothers Against Abortion"
        
        I am a nurse who works for a home health care agency and I am the founder of a group called. "Mothers Against Abortion." We minister to the women going into the clinics for abortions, we direct pregnant moms to resources for their needs and we meet on a regular basis to discuss which actions to take on current issues in abortion . We e-mail congressmen and we write articles to local papers on pro-life . We also work with the local pro-life groups in the community to help supply baby clothes for moms, provide transportation to doctors and meet with the moms to give encouragement and options.
        
        Pro-Life is a belief that life is in God's hands from birth to death. I myself do not believe in capitol punishment. I refuse to inflict death upon any creature belonging to God. I am also a vegetarian . I do not condone causing suffering to any person or animal. I am the extreme. That is also why I am a nurse. My job is to relieve pain, not cause it. I know if you abort a baby, it feels the pain. There are different methods, but none is good. Pulling a baby apart, limb by limb, literally dismembering her little body to me is heartbreaking. My mind cannot fathom how anyone could do such a thing.
        
        Pro-Life is Pro-God. God is Life. Someday we will inherit eternal life-if we give our hearts, our lives, our motives to Him. God Bless You!
        
        - Alayna Staggers June 28, 2009 5:08PM
        
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        I'm anti-God now
        
        Eh, that's nothing new.
        
        So, you're a founder of an organization. You'd probably call all of the people IN your organization members of the pro-life movement. Going to meetings, visiting websites, posting, etc.
        
        Scott Roeder was a member of Operation Rescue. That's the sort of stuff he did. People who are members of pro-life groups are part of the pro-life movement.
        
        - quantummechanik June 28, 2009 5:40PM
        
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      - Bullshit
        
        "He was in no way connected to the pro-life movement."
        
        I'm presuming you're just ignorant and not intentionally lying.
        
        "David Leach, publisher of Prayer & Action News, a magazine that opines that the killing of abortion providers would be justifiable homicide , told reporters that he and Roeder had met once in the late 1990s and that Roeder at that time had authored contributions to Leach's publication.[27][28][29] Leach published the Army of God manual, which advocates the killing of the providers of abortion and contains bomb-making instructions, in the January 1996 issue of his magazine.[30] A Kansas acquaintance of Roeder's, Regina Dinwiddie, told a reporter after Tiller's murder (speaking of Roeder), "I know that he believed in justifiable homicide." Dinwiddie, an anti-abortion militant featured in the 2000 HBO documentary Soldiers in the Army of God, added that she had observed Roeder in 1996 enter Kansas City Planned Parenthood's abortion clinic and ask to talk to the physician there; after staring at him for nearly a minute, Roeder said, "I’ve seen you now," before turning and walking away.[31]
        
        Roeder's former roommate of two years, Eddie Ebecher, who had met Roeder through the Freemen movement in the 1990s, told a reporter after Tiller's murder that he and Roeder had considered themselves members of the Army of God. Ebecher said Roeder was obsessed with Tiller and discussed killing him, but that Ebecher warned him not to do so. Ebecher, who went by the nom de guerre "Wolfgang Anacon," added that he believed Roeder held "high moral convictions in order to carry out this act. I feel that Scott had a burden for all the children being murdered."[32]
        
        In 2007, someone who identified himself as Scott Roeder posted on the website of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue that, "Tiller is the concentration camp 'Mengele' of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgment upon our nation." This was reported by the ADL's Center on Extremism, noting that Roeder called for "the closing of his death camp."[23][24] After Tiller's murder, officials from Operation Rescue, which had long opposed Tiller's abortion practices but denounced his shooting , said Roeder was not a contributor or member of the group.[14] The phone number for Operation Rescue's senior policy advisor, Cheryl Sullenger, was found on the dashboard of Scott Roeder's car[33]. At first, Operation Rescue's senior policy advisor Cheryl Sullenger denied any contact with Roeder, saying that her phone number is freely available online. Then, she revised her statements, indicating that Roeder’s interest was in court hearings involving Tiller.“ He would call and say, 'When does court start? When’s the next hearing?' I was polite enough to give him the information. I had no reason not to. Who knew? Who knew, you know what I mean?[8] ”
        
        Roeder reportedly attended the 2009 trial in which Tiller was acquitted of violating state abortion laws; Roeder called the trial "a sham" and felt the justice system failed in letting Tiller go free. On May 30, one day before Tiller was killed, a worker at a Kansas City clinic told the Federal Bureau of Investigation that Roeder had tried gluing the locks of the clinic shut, something Roeder was suspected of doing there before years earlier.[14] The Kansas City Star reported that a man of Roeder's description had glued the locks shot at the Central Family Medicine clinic in Kansas City on May 23 and May 30.[8]"
        
        Sorry, but the statement "He was in no way connected to the pro-life movement" is demonstrably Bullshit.
        
        No surprise there though, pro-lifers ignoring the facts when they are inconvenient.
        
        - Blappo July 7, 2009 4:31PM
        
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        Oooperation Rescue Not Guilty
        
        I have spoken with Cheryl Sullenger also but that does not make me connected to Operation Rescue. I also have posted many comments on their site but I am not recognized as being a part of their organization. Everyone knows about the Army of God as being an extremist group. Please don't use vulgarity to describe your thoughts as it is very unimpressive.
        
        - Alayna Staggers July 9, 2009 10:51AM
        
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