With about 70 billion stars and as many as 100 million life forms (at least here on Earth), the universe is a stunningly complex place. Did all of this matter evolve independently, or was it guided by a larger force – as proponents of intelligent design believe? With the debate raging in living rooms, classrooms and courtrooms, the stakes are high when it comes to determining intelligent design’s merit.
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self-contradictory nonsense from Luskin
Hey Nick
Your friend PvM gave out in this discussion:
http://www.opposingviews.com/comments/sorry-about-my-prior-views
Do you have any evidence that ID is religious that PvM was unable to bring up in those discussions?
- F2XL
November 19, 2008 6:20PM
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Um this thread is months old and no one is reading it. Email me if you want more. But Pandas proves it all by itself. Creationism is religious. Pandas is creationism. Game over.
- Nick Matzke
November 19, 2008 6:38PM
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I know this sounds crazy, but in a weird way I'm honored to get a response from you.
Is there any chance you could somehow send me the original drafts through email or something? I'm just curious to see the notorious "cdesignproponentists" (or however the hell they misspelled it) in the way it was originally used. Does the NCSE have photocopies or PDF files of the early drafts for download? I'll give you my email if needed.
But seeing that you obtained the drafts do you also happen to have a personal set of early drafts from back when Pandas was under a wide variety of different titles (including "creation biology" or something to that effect)?
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November 20, 2008 3:07PM
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The full drafts were all entered as evidential exhibits with the court and are on file there. It would be great if they were available for the world to see but they are copyright to The Foundation for Thought & Ethics so the stuff that is online is just short quotes/images through fair use:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/10/i_guess_id_real.html
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/11/missing_link_cd.html
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/?p=80
There are several articles summarizing what is in the drafts, email me at matzkeATberkeley.edu, I can send you those.
PS: I have unsubscribed from OpposingViews so I won't see any further messages on these threads.
- Nick Matzke
November 24, 2008 1:14PM
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For those of you reading....
Here's some links to actual PASSAGES, something Nick failed to provide as requested.
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=795
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=796
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=797
Now where is that religious content again?
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December 2, 2008 7:48PM
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