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(Opinion) Will I Go to Hell Because I'm a Lesbian?
By Rick Brentlinger
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Buddha
Funny thing
The funny thing is that they are all probably half-right.
"...our path is right because our holy man / book says so."
The major tenets of every major religion pretty much boil down to the same thing (in an admittedly hyper-simplistic paraphrase): "Don't be a dick."
Maybe there is something to that for all of us to learn from, even if we discard the dogma.
- SolarSanitizer
October 4, 2009 4:44PM
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Not So Simple
I think Christianity boils down to submission to God since you can still go to hell by being a good person, yet obeying God is how He says to enter heaven. People are good because it pleases God.
On topic, It is true that committing homosexual acts are not automatic bans from heaven; In fact God sees homosexuality no different than heterosexual adultery or fornication. If you are a Christian, you conscience will convict you to sexual immorality. If you think homosexuality is a sin as told by the bible , you will be moved to change .
- Particular Elk
October 4, 2009 6:46PM
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Hmm...
Obeying or accepting?
One can, as you state, behave in a manner he prescribes, yet still go to hell. You'd be obeying his teachings, by behaving as I said, but if you do not accept him, than all the good behavior in the world won't save you, right?
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October 4, 2009 6:55PM
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The Bible
The Bible says nothing about committed, monogamous relationships between persons of the same gender. The Bible condemns adultery, sexual exploitation, sexual slavery, temple prostitution and idolatry, and rape. If you believe that the Bible condemns loving, committed, monogamous relationships between persons who are same-gender oriented, then you have been sold a big bag of mistranslations, dogma and prejudice.
- Babaroni
October 4, 2009 7:47PM
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See, this is why you all need to learn ancient Hebrew
I've read the bible in English. The words are...not correct.
- quantummechanik
October 4, 2009 8:12PM
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Yup
Exactly. Thousands of years worth of translators and re-translators and copyists and re-copyists are bound to insert a little personal bias here and there. Heck, a group of 5-year-olds can't even whisper, "Billy is a silly boy," once around the classroom circle without it transmogrifying into, "Billy ate all of Sally's toys."
- Babaroni
October 4, 2009 8:31PM
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Straight to the horse's ass
Plus, the original's are much easier to see for what they are:
Blatant presciptions to justify and go about enslaving all women, all your progeny, and most anyone else not in your tribe. Through ridiculous fear tactics, fueled by general ignorance, no less.
Er, hmm, well, I guess the renovations are pretty close, after all...
- Submariner October 5, 2009 12:17AM
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Where did you learn ancient Hebrew?
What school did you study at?
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October 5, 2009 4:26PM
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Sin
As a Christain I can say your 80% right.If you are a believer of internalsecurity than your 100% right.
Iam not a believer of interalsecurity.The Holy Spirit that dwells within one's body can't dwell in a adulterer or a homosexual.
One must repent of ones sins for the holy spirit to dwell within you.
- countryboy
October 4, 2009 8:08PM
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Internalsecurity?
Internalsecurity? Like ADP? Or Norton Antivirus?
Perhaps you are referring to the doctrine of "Eternal Security?"
I'm thinking it might be helpful for you to brush up on theology a bit before attempting to tell others that they are not the sorts of people with whom the Holy Spirit is content to dwell. Or better yet, spend your energy on your own relationship with the Holy Spirit and avoid judging others.
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October 4, 2009 8:37PM
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No Judging
No judging here! If one is a believer of eternal security Then he is right.
I for one am not.Thats not judging thats opposing views.
And the spelling well hard day.
- countryboy
October 5, 2009 3:57PM
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No judging???
I will quote you:
countryboy said: "The Holy Spirit that dwells within one's body can't dwell in a...homosexual."
Sounds like judging to me.
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October 5, 2009 5:53PM
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Not Judging
That not what I said, Get it right.
- countryboy
October 5, 2009 6:14PM
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32 Reasons to believe in Eternal Security
32 Scriptural Reasons Why You Should Believe In Eternal Security
The following are some of the many reasons I personally believe that a saved person can never be lost, can never lose his/her salvation.
1. Believers are positionally in heaven right now.
"(God)...hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:6
If you’ve been born again, John 3:3-7, then you are already in heaven because you are “in Christ” and Christ is in heaven.
To lose your salvation, God would have to take you out of Christ and then kick you out of heaven.
2. Believers are members of the body of Christ.
"For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones." Eph. 5:30
"But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him... Now ye are the body of Christ ..." I Cor.12:18,27
Will Christ in heaven be an amputee, missing a foot or a hand? Of course not. A young girl was asked,
"Aren't you afraid you might slip through the Lord's fingers?"
"No Sir,” she replied, “I am one of His fingers."
3. Believers are complete in him.
"And ye are complete in him , which is the head of all principality and power." Colossians 2:10
Because scripture clearly tells us we are complete in Him, we know that everything necessary for our salvation has been done. We don’t have to add in our good works or our ability to hold out faithful to the end. If we could lose our salvation we would not be complete in Him.
4. Believers are accepted in the beloved.
Paul wrote that God "...hath made us accepted in the beloved." Ephesians 1:6
God made us accepted in the beloved - not in our works, not in our good intentions, not in our ability to hold out faithful to the end. God made us accepted in the beloved and Jesus is God’s Beloved. Because we are “in” Him, God accepts us.
5. Believers are saved by grace, not by works.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8, 9
"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." Romans 4:4
"And if by grace, then is it no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace." Romans 11:6
Because you didn’t do anything to work for and earn your salvation, nothing you do can cause you to lose your salvation. Eternal Security.
6. Believers are confirmed blameless unto the end.
"Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ." I Corinthians 1:8
Now tell me, if God confirms you blameless unto the end, does that leave any room for you to loose your salvation? If you could do something that causes you to loose your salvation, you would be to blame and you wouldn’t be blameless unto the end.
Read the rest of the 32 reasons at: http://www.gaychristian101.com/Eternal-Security.html
Rick Brentlinger
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Christians-blog.html
- Rick Brentlinger
October 11, 2009 2:56PM
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Not so
Rick why teach people its Ok to sin?IT'S NOT!
If one is saved they will not go around sinning,One may think he is saved but the Holy Spirt wont dwell in a unrepented sinner.
We are to be Christ like.Christ did not go around saying go sin!He told us to repent of our sins. If one repents of there sins that is a turning away from there sins
A save person does not knowingly sin,If one does he is not saved.
- countryboy
October 11, 2009 9:21PM
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only half the truth
The bible also says:
Exodus 32:32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand .
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved
Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away
Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
I Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law ; ye are fallen from grace
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house ; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end
Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin
Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it
James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death , and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book
The bible says people are eternally saved and it also says people are not eternally saved. As believers we should believe both. It may seem confusing to believe both are true but believing that god is 3-in-1 is just as confusing.
What is the worst case scenario?
1) Believing in eternal security and if eternal security is a false belief God will condemn you.
2) Not believing in eternal security and doing more than what is required. If you are wrong and eternal security is true then you still go to heaven.
For someone who truly loves God doing more than what is required is a blessing in and of itself.
- TomJohnson March 15, 2010 6:59AM
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Cos
Yeah!
Well, that or it's all just a manipulative delusion foistered on the innocent and ignorant by a bunch of man- and woman- children that lack the integrity or wherewithall to figure out what is actually going on and make the most of it.
It's probably one of those, I bet...
- Submariner October 5, 2009 12:22AM
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Perhaps
Could you possibly site some scripture to this. I am a Christian as well and I would like to know which verses shaped your opinion.
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October 5, 2009 1:59PM
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Sciptures
Romans 1 25-32,1 Corinthians 16-17,1 Corinthian 15-20.there are others too.
- countryboy
October 5, 2009 4:35PM
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Not one
Not a single one of those scriptures says that the Holy Spirit "can't dwell in a homosexual." In fact, not one of those verses says anything whatsoever about people who live in loving, committed, monogamous relationships with someone of their own gender. Those verses refer to things such as pagan temple orgies, prostitution , and adultery.
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October 5, 2009 5:55PM
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Bingo
Bingo you got adultery in there.The bottom line is what [you think sin is].And if its repented sin.One can't keep sinning the same sin and make it to heaven.
- countryboy
October 5, 2009 6:48PM
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Why are these Specific?
If The Holy Spirit can't dwell in a person harboring these sins, why not others. My understanding is the God sees all sin as equal infringments. Not that earthly consequences are the same. Do you believe that this particular sin inhibit this person from going to heaven?
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October 5, 2009 2:01PM
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NO
All sin is equal no sin is better than the other.
Some think once saved alway saved,that no sin will keep you from heaven.
I think any unrepented sin will keep you from heaven.You must repent of your sins to make it to heaven.
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October 5, 2009 4:22PM
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But your assumption
But your assupmtion that same-gender relationships are inherently sinful is not supported by the Bible.
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October 5, 2009 5:56PM
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Bible
Thats your view.And I respect your view.I dont see it that way.
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October 5, 2009 6:58PM
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Holy spirit?
But if no one is without sin then who can have the holy spirit?
- mike1948
October 7, 2009 11:48AM
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"Don't be a dick."
How come almost no Christians are able to follow this then?
- Johnny
October 7, 2009 11:12AM
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I have no idea.
It is not just Christians . It is in all religions. There are people who just ruin it for everyone else in that religion .
Maybe, the perception that "almost no Christians are able to follow this", is skewed because the ones who act poorly are widely publicized? Therefore they are better known. There is also an effect where people notice the religious being jerks because it seems very odd that they would, given their generalized rules of behavior.
- SolarSanitizer
October 7, 2009 11:23AM
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All Right VS All Wrong
SolarSanitizer said: "The funny thing is that they are all probably half-right."
I would strongly speculate that ALL the religions of the world CAN'T be right. So our (most basic) available choices are that either one is right, or they are all wrong. Occam's razor implies using the simplest explanation: they are ALL WRONG.
- Johnny
October 7, 2009 11:17AM
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You misstate Occam's Razor.
The most likely answer would not be "They are all wrong." It would be:
"Not all of them can be 100% right, only one can be 100% right, but since it is highly unlikely that one religion is 100% right, we must assume that some are right in some ways, and others are right in others."
However, you erred in the beginning of your argument when you took my statement out of context. It is, actually true that religions, generically, profess good will toward man and kindness as the best policy.
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October 7, 2009 11:28AM
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99% Right Is Not Divine
All religions claim some form of divine inspiration; and most at their core claim to be guided by a deity, as well as claiming to know the truth and all right. To be only 99% would imply they have not been divinely led.
But I'm really not about arguing percentages on this. ALL religions claim to be right. They don't claim to be party right, they claim to be all right. They simply cannot ALL be right; thus the simplest explanation is that they are ALL wrong.
- Johnny
October 7, 2009 12:03PM
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By your logic:
Since not all people are right, all are wrong.
Since not all laws are right, all are wrong.
Since not all politicians are right, all are wrong.
I could go on, but won't. You either get the point, or you don't.
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October 7, 2009 12:17PM
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I might agree with the politician line...
Most people don't claim to be "all right about everything" the way most religions do.
If you met someone who claimed to be always completely right about everything they spoke on; and then you found a single glaring mistake in something they said - wouldn't you begin to question the validity of EVERYTHING they said?
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October 7, 2009 12:23PM
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Politicians. Point taken.
I'd question the validity, sure. But we take things on an individual basis.
If you argued with a person about a certain subject and you conceded a point, would that make your entire argument automatically suspect? I contend that the answer has to be a resounding No. Because if that were the case, nobody would ever concede a point.
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