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Poll Shows Catholics Support Abortion Funding in Health Care
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Catholics had a choice before engaging in sexual activity. Abortion is murder , no euphemism can disguise this inconvenient truth.
My daughter has what you call a severe abnormal condition. She has Down syndrome. She is 7 and is learning to write her name in first grade.
I don't care how many so called Catholics in your poll say Christina should be aborted, or that the bishops are wrong, I stand by the truth that ALL human life is sacred, even if I stand alone with my Church.
- Leticia Velasquez
October 1, 2009 1:25PM
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Life or death = prolife or prodeath
Good for you Leticia Velasquez!Any true Catholic would say your right.Just because they say there Catholic don't make them Catholic!
- countryboy
October 1, 2009 5:56PM
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"I don't care how many so called Catholics in your poll say Christina should be aborted,"
I do not see where it is being stated that those those with downs syndrome should be aborted.
- MrBook
October 2, 2009 6:35AM
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Down syndrome means 90% chance of abortion
Let me ask you this, Mr Book, if I told you because of your facial characteristics or intelligence, you had a 90% chance of being killed, would you feel targeted?
- Leticia Velasquez
October 2, 2009 8:15AM
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Futile.
Nothing you can type will convince Mr.Book to reexamine his stance that the convenience of the mother is worth less than the life of the child. He has made up his mind that the "woman's right to kill her baby if she thinks she needs to" outweighs the "constitutionally guaranteed right of the baby to live."
Mr.Book and I have gone round and round and no amount of fact or discussion will shine a light on that dark corner of his brain.
- SolarSanitizer
October 3, 2009 2:21AM
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Hold on
Well, I think it's more the fact that he doesn't consider a fetus a baby than the fact that he thinks a baby's life is less important than the mother 's. Don't be misrepresentin yo! I personally am pro-choice , and I approve of debate as long as you frame it around the actual point of disagreement.
- Doublecheck
October 3, 2009 4:18PM
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No, no. He actually
Considers it as I framed.
I was not attacking your belief, I was attacking his stated position.
I'm not misrepresenting anything, yo.
Regardless of whether you approve of how I debate or not, I stated a fact of which you are seemingly unaware.
Here is my position:
A woman who uses abortion as a form of birth control in order to spare herself the challenges of raising a child she didn't want, is killing life because she would be otherwise inconvenienced. I find this decision wrong and unjustified.
A woman who uses abortion to save her life or save her reproductive ability; to remove a child conceived due to rape or incest is killing life, but it is justified.
Now, if you disagree with my stated position, and would care to debate the merits of your position, I am willing.
- SolarSanitizer
October 4, 2009 1:23AM
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We have a constitutional right to live now?
Where's that?
- quantummechanik
October 3, 2009 5:24PM
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Rights
Hay did you move back to the states?
We may lost that right some day if we keep letting washington take way our other rights
- countryboy
October 3, 2009 5:42PM
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I'm visiting for a bit
And frankly I like the flag more.
This is what fascinates me the most about political philosophy--The concept of applying a rights-based morality to governance. Locke-style, baby! First of all--where does it say, in the constitution , we have a right to life?
- quantummechanik
October 3, 2009 6:34PM
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Yes, since 1791. Let me show you.
"Amendment 5
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime , unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
The SCOTUS erred, imo, when they opined on Roe v. Wade.
I have forever maintained that the right to life should be sacrosanct, but the court thought that the right to abort was more important.
- SolarSanitizer
October 3, 2009 9:45PM
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Question though
To whom does this document apply, specifically?
- quantummechanik
October 4, 2009 12:14AM
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“Let me ask you this, Mr Book, if I told you because of your facial characteristics or intelligence, you had a 90% chance of being killed, would you feel targeted?”
[Citation Needed] on that 90%...
Of course if I had been born with Downs Syndrome then I would not be me, further by being aborted I would have had no desire to live… which is to say that if ‘I’ had Downs Syndrome and had been aborted then I would not have an opinion on the matter.
Do you want to force a woman to raise a child that she can not care for?
- MrBook
October 3, 2009 11:44PM
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Interesting question.
"Do you want to force a woman to raise a child that she can not care for?"
Would you approach killing, or placing into foster care, a 7 year old if the mother was single, became permanently disabled, and her income , now fixed and inadequate, insufficient to support the 7 year old with the same fervor you display when the question is about killing the child pre-birth?
Also, suppose a pregnant mother could not work due to circumstances and would not be able to after the birth, and the father could not financially support the soon-to-be family member. Suppose that the woman would refuse an abortion . Knowing that the Equal Protection clause prevents one group of people from being treated differently than another group, ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause ) would you agree that the father has the right to abort the child for the exact reason you are now arguing?
Do you want to force a man to raise a child that he can not care for?
You see, your emotions blocked your logic on this entire issue. You are entitled to your opinions, but you should at least know that you are wrong.
- SolarSanitizer
October 4, 2009 4:46AM
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