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Congressman to Anti-Gun Lobby – “Stop Politicizing Fort Hood”
But Mr. Obama requested........
Obama requested the media not turn the mess at Ft Hood into a political football , yet which side is doing exactly that? His of course!
The man appears to have little influence over his supporters, even those who have a similar agenda.
The real results will probably be bad enough for the Government, if they all get released , there is little need to make anything up. Unless of course you use tactics like the Brady bunch.
- Explorer1
November 25, 2009 12:12PM
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Not his side
Uhuh. People have gotten so kneejerk about the President representing everything not-neocon that they have to put his name on it to criticize something.
Much like Obama really makes for a poor socialist, neither has he offered much to the gun control advocates in his party.
- Submariner November 25, 2009 3:34PM
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Low profile efforts
"...neither has he offered much to the gun control advocates in his party."
I'd disagree, Holder has been very mush in support of the fraudulently named assualt-weapon ban . And Mr. Obama has been a major supporter of international treaties which are HUGE anti-gun efforts; treaties that would give lists of gun owners to other nations and require licensing of those who care to reload ammo. Hillary just came out supporting these efforts also.
Just the media has permitted these efforts to go on without high exposure or much coverage.
- Explorer1
November 28, 2009 10:25PM
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Almost as bad as those people--
Who default to an "Obama is innocent, always" mindset whenever any criticism is leveled toward the man. In seemingly worshipful fashion, which is ironic because they tend to despise religion on the grounds that it is unscientific.
The irony is astounding.
- SolarSanitizer
December 1, 2009 3:20PM
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Almost that bad
At least Obama actually exists.
Incidently, as a person that despises most religion , I should want to point out that most of the reasons for doing so stem from all the horrible and horribly stupid things that happen because of religion, and not so much the philisophical arguments. Lot's of things are not scientific, and still manage to not cause most of the misery in the world.
- Submariner December 1, 2009 4:11PM
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I'll bite. ('nother vampire joke)
What are the horrible/horribly stupid things that happen because of religion that are not attributable to an individual's personal decision?
I contend that it is not religion, but rather choices made by individual humans which are actually responsible for atrocities on the order of the Spanish Inquisition. Religion, well, most religions, are predicated on values such as love, harmony, forgiveness, peace, kindness and honesty. I further contend that it is the ignoble actions of man who twist these noble ideals into ill-gotten power with which they sometimes wield to horrible ends. This is no reason for attacks against religions as much as it is grounds for indictment of the individual.
Liberals (and I know you /love/ it when I start sentences thusly) seem to place blame on anything other than individuals when those individuals are the core of the problem.
Guns=evil, cop-killers, murders of children ;
Religion=superstition, root of atrocity
SUVs=Death of Earth
Go ahead, try it: Add to the list. The formula is sound.
- SolarSanitizer
December 1, 2009 4:25PM
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Trying to stay in context.
The question you ask about religion is far beyond the scope of this web site, much less this thread, but I think I can respond in context. Do you suggest that Hasan would still have commited these crimes if he had not been influenced by religion? Or do you suggest he is just giving Islam a bad name?
As for the blame game, I think scope of responsbility is the real dichotomy. Environmental conservation, for example, is all about responsibility. It's just that a lot of people don't want to be told what to do. Protecting the public and workers from hazmat and high risk practices is a responsibility, but one frequently adverse to profiteering.
Responsibility eludes your simplification.
In general, outside of logic and formal debate, most predications are fraudulent. Whatever marketing went into judeochristianity of the last few millennia, if you actually read the Bible and review the history of the three Abrahamic religions, there is far more slavery, rape , incest, murder , genocide, war , hate, destruction, tyranny, judgementality, and deception than the things you offer as predicates; and usually not at the hands of the Devil, pagans, heretics, or heathens, but those of the gods, angels, priests, kings, and faithful.
Existentially, Responsibility is just the other edge of the sword Freedom. But this is not just about philosophy. It's about understanding intention, causality, and management of risk, resources, and accountability, as much as it is about responsibility.
- Submariner December 2, 2009 1:25PM
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You did well.
Hasan, imo, simply snapped. I think it was because his duty was to counsel and debrief soldiers returning from the area of his homeland, likely explaining how they killed his countrymen. I am sure they soldiers did so in the naturally selfish manner people adopt when having their heads shrunk. They simply do not consider the feelings of the counselor. What I think set off the powder keg was him learning about his pending deployment. I did see a report that said he uttered a short prayer before the shooting started, in typical terrorist fashion, but that is unsubstantiated, so I don't know.
So, no. I do not think his religion drove him to kill our heroes.
Responsibility does elude my characterization. It does not fit at all, and for a different reason than you imagine. It does not fit due to it not really being the true motivation of such issues, such as Environmentalism, or Employee Safety. For example, the Employee Safety issue is a liberal one precisely because they would rather the Company be responsible, as opposed to the individual. Proof: It is the company, not the unsafe employee, who gets fined by the government for unsafe practices. Blame the company, the law states.
As someone else argued in another thread, if you have to go back a few millennia to find proof that religion is terrible, it shows the weakness of your argument.
I agree that responsibility if the other edge of the Freedom sword. The difference is: I feel that it is "Personal Responsibility" (Conservative value), not someone else's responsibility (Liberal value).
- SolarSanitizer
December 2, 2009 2:13PM
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All the while...
All the while Mr. Obama was saying not to use this as a political football , he was winking at his cohorts and kind of chuckling under his breath as to say to them, "Alright, we all know what we need to do". Bunch of mooks. The whole lot of them.
- cjlee
November 26, 2009 3:03PM
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