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VIDEO:Kids Revolt! Obama Wants Longer School Year
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Something should be done.
Maybe more hours/year is the solution, or maybe better teachers/ schools are the answer.
More likely it is both because kids spending more time in a school with crappy teachers, will not fix anything.
- SolarSanitizer
September 28, 2009 12:37PM
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Ugh
Eliminate daylight savings and summer break.
Geez, I can't wait for agricultural laws to finally die! They're like blue laws except the public no longer remembers why they exist, only that it's what we do every year!
They should add atleast 25-30 more school days and make summer break only 2 weeks long. IMO
- Rice klowN
September 28, 2009 1:07PM
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Would I be inane to extrapolate
From your statement that you believe that America should eventually cease its agricultural endeavors altogether? That America, nay, the world would be a better place if America imported all of our foodstuffs? Why or why not, if you please?
- SolarSanitizer
September 28, 2009 1:33PM
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Ya, I noticed that too.
I see the confusion. No, I'm talking about laws (or policies) that are based around supporting the farmer way of life.
It used to be that 60% of the population worked on a farm or in agriculture, now it's 2%. Summer breaks from school allow kids to go home and plow the fields and harvest.
Daylight savings... Agriculture.
I'm in no way saying we should get rid of our agriculture. I was only talking about structuring society around what 2% if the poulation does during the summer.
Made sense in days long past, but today... No reason for it.
Give me more credit than that, Solar.
- Rice klowN
September 28, 2009 2:13PM
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I was not witholding credit, Rice.
I was trying to prevent myself from jumping to conclusions.
I do understand what 'agriculture laws' mean.
Why should we not structure laws around very small percentages of society ... Isn't that what Liberalism is all about? 10% of Americans choose to not have healthcare . They would rather get 3 cars , or a nice boat, or otherwise "keep up with the Joneses". Or they are young and invincible. Don't try to sell me the idea that they "can't afford healthcare" because welfare is free. So is church charity.
10% is enough to completely destroy the healthcare system we have now, right?
If I were a congressman, I'd be able to call you racist for your comments because farmers are mostly whites.
Forget the fact that you are no more a racist than I.
- SolarSanitizer
September 28, 2009 2:36PM
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Thank you
On the brighter side, you helped remind me to clarify a wee bit.
You missed my point. The policies I so ineliquently referred to as "agricultural laws" were enacted back when it was 60% of the population, not the current 2%. Now they're just pointless as farms don't need their legions of offspring to come home during the summer and daylight savings is not helpful to this society . In fact there may be other countries that would benefit from these policies, but ours no longer needs them.
As fir health care , that's not a valid comparison. I'm talking about a policy that structured aspects of society around a very valid need to get the farming done in this country, your comparing it to a problem that involves how we heal sick people.
For the record, I support a French style single payer system for the management of how health care is paid for. However the health system is not in shambles simply because a certain percentage of the population doesn't have health insurance .
60% of bankruptcies are due to medical bills and most of those are filed by insured patients. 15% of the country is uninsured, not all need to get insured, but most do. 49,000 is the estimated number of American citizens that die every year because they don't have insurance or what they have is not enough.
Our system has it strengths, but the rest of the world has accepted that not everything is better when run by capitalism.
Social welfare handled by private capitalists always leads to more death and misery than necessary.
I ave never, repeat: never, made the claim that 10% of the nation is uninsured and that is the reason we need health care reform . Your straw man misdirection has not worked on me. We need health care reform for many other reasons and your position is crudely justified by an "I'm in the boat, you can swim" argument.
I think the problem here is that other countries have learned that you HAVE to care about the society you live in and it's painful but homeless people and poor people must be propped up to make sure that society survives.
Only in America will you find a western democracy with so many people that love being Americans but care so little for their own countrymen, but isn't that what Conservativism is all about? Only worrying about the majority?
I hope you know that my picture next to my posts is really me. Calling me racist for bashing on white guys would be stretch since I'm a southern raised white boy. But your the racist, most uninsured are blacks... Unless I've shoved my foot in my mouth too... ? ;)
- Rice klowN
September 28, 2009 3:28PM
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"I'm in the boat, you can swim".
How cleverly ironic. If everyone gets in the boat, everyone drowns when the damn thing sinks. The healthcare "boat" is full.
There are not enough seats (hospitals), there are not enough doctors (oars) for everyone. Until that changes, there is insufficient room. Even if bleeding-hearts naively think that it is cruel.
"I ave never, repeat: never, made the claim that 10% of the nation is uninsured and that is the reason we need health care reform . Your straw man misdirection has not worked on me."
I didn't say you did, unless you are all of America's Liberals...
10% are uninsured (Source: Obama's most recent Congressional address), not 15%. (unless you are counting the illegal immigrant parasites on the system.) As for your statistical arguments, please cite your source(s).
"Our system has it strengths, but the rest of the world has accepted that not everything is better when run by capitalism.
Social welfare handled by private capitalists always leads to more death and misery than necessary."
Who gives a damn what the rest of the world thinks is better? (Not every other country's citizenry suckles from the government teat for their healthcare, BTW.)
"I think the problem here is that other countries have learned that you HAVE to care about the society you live in and it's painful but homeless people and poor people must be propped up to make sure that society survives."
Sure, but we are not talking about the homeless or the poor when we discuss Healthcare insurance rolls. We are talking about the middle-class. The poor and indigent are already covered 100%.
"Only in America will you find a western democracy with so many people that love being Americans but care so little for their own countrymen, but isn't that what Conservatism is all about? Only worrying about the majority?"
No.
"I hope you know that my picture next to my posts is really me. Calling me racist for bashing on white guys would be stretch since I'm a southern raised white boy. But your the racist, most uninsured are blacks... Unless I've shoved my foot in my mouth too... ? ;)"
Race has no bearing on whether or not a person is racist. Allow me to have my own "teachable moment":
"Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."
Notice that the definition does NOT read: "Racism is the belief one's race..."
This is deliberate.
I did not know that most uninsured are blacks. I don't believe it either. Who told you that, a family member, perhaps? A southern, white member of your family? Perhaps your father or your mother ? Did they say "That d$%n Obama wants healthcare for HIS people, and WE have to pay for it!"?
Yeah, you stuffed your foot into your mouth a little, but I'm a good Christian, so I'll forgive you.
- SolarSanitizer
September 28, 2009 4:06PM
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You got your stats from a speech?
15.8% of the population was uninsured in 2006
Census Bureau's 2007 Current Population Survey
http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/07/uninsured/index.htm
The boat analogy is about how once you get what you need, you aren't interested in helping out others.
I didn't say we should care what the rest of the world thinks, I said we should look at what they do. That's how you learn. Works in 2nd grade math class, works for national economies.
There is nothing wrong with ensuring that the citizenry doesn't have to worry about losing everything they have because they got sick. It's immoral everywhere else, and it's immoral here. We should do better as a society .
You killed the "accusation of -ist" joke... you tried to explain it.
- Rice klowN
September 29, 2009 5:29AM
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