What About George Tiller's Late-Term Abortions?

By Suzanne Venker , Author - June 07, 2009

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(Editor's Note: This article is a response to Jacob Apple's article, George Tiller and the Paradox of Anti-Abortion Violence.)

Just to be clear, I do not identify with the term "pro-life" any more than I do "pro-choice." I think they're both misleading and don't address the issue. I have never picketed for one side or the other, nor have I argued for abortion to be legal or illegal. In fact I have remained largely neutral on the subject. If I simply must be classified -- and I suspect I should be since I'm responding to your article -- I would say this: I personally believe there are instances in which abortion must be allowed: rape, incest, a threat to the mother's physical health, or even fatal abnormalities that are detected in utero. But that's about where my sympathies end. I suppose you could call me the "reasonable" type, as you phrased it: someone who "might argue that while developing fetuses are not fully human, they have intrinsic value and should not be destroyed, even if women’s liberty must be restricted to preserve them." In other words, women's rights are not first on my agenda when it comes to the issue of abortion. (I know -- how very un-American of me.)

That said, I have a question for you. You write that you "strongly support a woman’s right to choose to terminate a pregnancy , because I do not believe that fetuses possess personhood." I was curious whether or not this applies to a 9-month old baby who's set to emerge from the womb -- because that's a big part of what this story is about, and you didn't mention it. People came from all over to seek Tiller's "services" specifically because so few people are willing to kill 7, 8, and 9-month old babies -- whether they have birth defects or not. Most Americans are reasonable -- they understand that life is complicated and that necessary evils are inevitable -- but people have their limits. I respectfully disagree with my religious friends that there's no difference between ending a pregnancy at one month and ending a pregnancy during the third trimester. Pro-lifers argue that life is life, no matter which stage of pregnancy a woman happens to be -- a reasonable and consistent argument, to be sure -- but the reality is that extracting a one-month old fetus from a woman's womb is very different from delivering an actual baby, and then puncturing its skull. This is precisely the reason many doctors will do the former but not the latter.

Dr. Tiller was willing to do the latter, but in your article you conveniently (or perhaps accidentally) left this part out. Presumably, you still stand on the side of a woman's "right" to end a pregnancy at any stage of development. As an ethicist, can you explain this to me? I'm afraid your insistence on logic -- though I respect its use and rely upon it often in my own arguments -- will fail you here. At some point our social conscience must play a role.

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  • quantummechanik
    Prove that you were raped

    Asking a woman to provide evidence that she was raped is an unbelievable violation of privacy.

    - quantummechanikUS June 8, 2009 1:00AM

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    • Khannea Suntzu
      Correction

      *HAVING* to ask a woman to provide evidence that she was raped is an undescribable indignity.

      - Khannea SuntzuNL June 8, 2009 11:08AM

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  • ghanastudent
    Someone's logic has failed them here

    but it isn't Apple's. The main point of of Apple's piece was that arguing that abortion is murder logically implies that violence can and should be used to prevent it. This obviously would apply to late-term abortions as well.

    I imagine Apple didn't specifically mention that Tiller provided late-term abortions because it was utterly irrelevant to the argument he was making.

    Apple's challenge is that if one believes that a fetus (even a 7-9 month old fetus) is a person, then abortion would seem to be murder, and, as such, using violence against people like Tiller is acceptable. Your response to this is to imply that 7-9 month fetuses are persons and state that there is a difference between fetuses in the earlier vs. the later stages of development. Both points may be true, but are not relevant to Apple's challenge:

    If you do believe that fetuses in the 7-9th month of development are persons, then it would seem that you believe aborting them to be murder (as "murder" is the term given wrongfully ending the lives of innocent persons). The implication, for the majority of us who are not pacifists, is that the use of violence against Tiller and other late-term abortion providers is justified. This is exactly the point Apple was making.

    You seem to think that one's social conscience can be divorced from one's ability to think logically and critically. The confused nature of what you wrote shows the danger of that.

    - ghanastudentUS June 14, 2009 1:28PM

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  • Submariner
    If you are really concerned about this...

    Do some homework.

    All of his late term abortions were involving birth defects and rapes. They discussed one case that was very late (potentially viable) and the girl was a 13 year old rape victim.

    Stop politicizing conscience. It's loathsome.

    - Submariner July 9, 2009 8:47PM

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