The religious right is in full froth this week as some American
Muslims prepare to gather in prayer in the nation’s capital on Friday.
The stated objective of the “Our Time Has Come”
gathering, according to organizers who hope 50,000 Muslims will take
part, “is to invite the Muslim Communities and friends of Islam to
express and illustrate the wonderful diversity of Islam.”
The event isn’t universally welcome among American Muslims. Some, such as blogger Aziz Poonawalla at Beliefnet.com, worry that the event hasn’t been well thought out, particularly regarding how it will be perceived by non-Muslims in America:
“I certainly understand and appreciate the sentiments
and intentions of this, but it just strikes me as the wrong way to go
about it. It’s unwise to ignore the “optics” of such an event upon the paranoid segment of the American public
– who were out in force at the Tea Party last week on the National Mall
– who will certainly see the event as a threatening gesture which only
validates their racism and Islamophobia.”
Sadly, such fears about reaction from the extremist right in America appear to be well-founded. David Gibson at PoliticsDaily notes some of this:
Indeed, the online publication from David Horowitz, FrontPageMag.com, sounded the alarm in an article Monday titled “Taking Islamism to the Streets,” and the title of the “9/12 Project” post is simply, “OUTRAGED!”“Bare Naked Islam”
are calling the event “disgusting” and “treasonous” and warn that
“50,000 Muslims, terrorists, and terrorist sympathizers” will turn the
Capitol into “a giant outdoor mosque.” And Charisma magazine, a
mainstream Pentecostal publication, quoted Christians in its account saying things like, “It is warfare time.”
The writers at Talk of “warfare” and other violent imagery has become standard fare
for the religious right in America. That has been especially true when
the rhetorical focus is on Islam. An e-mail today about the Washington
event from the extremist group Operation Rescue/Operation Save America
provides another example:
Abortion is Murder
Homosexuality is Sin
Islam is a Lie
The e-mail goes on to quote the group’s director, the Rev. Flip
Benham, a former Garland pastor who ran Operation Rescue chapters in
Dallas and Fort Worth before becoming head of the national
organization. His rhetoric was especially incendiary:
“What do these three [abortion, homosexuality, Islam]
have in common? They are, all three, physical manifestations of the
battle between two seeds — the seed of the serpent and the seed of the
woman. Genesis 3:15. Islam is a visible manifestation of this battle
and has been at war with Christianity for fourteen centuries. There is
no dialogue, no common ground, no reaching across the aisle in this
battle. We are not called to build bridges to Islam. We are called to
storm the gates of hell — to defeat the false god of Islam with the
unsheathed Word of God and to set people free from the monstrous
tyranny and bondage of this religion birthed in the deepest pits of
hell.”
Sadly, this kind of viciousness will only feed the hatred and fear among extremists both in America and in the Islamic world.
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disturbing
A highly disturbing response to a peaceful event.
- MrBook
September 24, 2009 7:24PM
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Really!
Islam is not a peaceful religion .
- IIIper
September 24, 2009 11:08PM
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What is
a peaceful religion ?
Why is Islam not a peaceful religion?
- quantummechanik
September 25, 2009 11:15AM
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Well Obviously
Many muslims have come out said that they want to kill the infidels who dont believe in islam , and this comes from the Qur'an. sounds pretty violent to me. Of course i cant source the Qur'an because i have never read it but obviously they are getting this notion from somewhere within their religion . Also I think its safe to say that Buddhism is probably a peaceful religion.
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Buddhism
There's a peaceful religion for you quantummechanik.
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average
"It is about as peaceful as many other religions out there."
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This article.
Is trying to paint all Christians in America as extremists just like the actual extremist Christians try to paint all Islamics as extremists. It ignores the fact that both religions are primarily peaceful, but both have their small numbers of violent fanatics and have for centuries.
To the half-wits, it will likely work. They will be suckered. You'll recognize them as the ones expressing shock.
The rest of us will see through the ruse.
- SolarSanitizer
September 24, 2009 11:57PM
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What ruse?
Where in the OP is there a reference to all Christians ?
If this is not the chosen representative of the Christian position, one would expect the majority of christians to chastise these tinhorns.
Instead, you are fabricating a message that is not evident in the article.
- Submariner September 25, 2009 1:25AM
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Did you even read the title?
I was equal in blaming the small fringes of both religions and praising the vast majority of both.
I was more fair than the writer of the article.
Did you get upset about the half-wit comment? Did I strike a nerve? Is this why you are pretending not to call me a liar? Don't get mad at me if the shoe fits.
- SolarSanitizer
September 25, 2009 1:37AM
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Hehehe
I asked a simple question because I cannot find any generalization. Since it does not appear in the text, and you did not respond to it, I assumed you were making it up.
I am not pretending, by the way; I am explicitly calling you a liar. In this case I suppose I might be wrong if you are just delusional.
Look, can you just explain to me why you think this group is generalizing? Cause I agree, its not fair to generalize about Christians , one of the most splintered social groups in human history.
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Here you talk smart while acting disingenuous. Quaint.
Like I already suggested: Read the title.
You know damn well that when leftist groups like these self-described "non-partisan" smoke-shovelers refer to the "religious right" they are talking about Christians . Why you would choose to call this well known fact into question and demand explanation is known only to you.
Same your petty insults, though. I did not join this community to be insulted. I am neither delusional nor am I a liar.
It might come as a shock to you that I think Muslims are being sorely maligned in modern politics . They are all being branded as extremists, and this is just as unfair to the hundreds of millions of Muslims who are peaceful at heart. At the same time, Christians are getting a bad rap for the actions of a very few also. Even by you. Social group, eh? Would you consider Muslims a 'social group'? How about Jews? Scientologists?
Facebook users are a social group. A bridge club is a social group.
Why are you so angry that you'll lash out and strangers who's ' crime ' is thinking differently than yourself, anyhow?
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WTFRU Talking About?
Are you suggesting the Reverend does not consider himself part of the religious right? I would be surprised if he is not a card-carrying dues-paying member of the Christian Right.
This article is very specific and mostly quotes people. Do you suggest they are quoting out of context?
Seriously, you are categorizing the OP in the way you decry them categorizing those in the article. And even so, you did not deal with one point in the article, but refuted it out of hand.
So, while I won't presume to know your emotional state, let me say you appear indignant over nothing but fair questions about your opinion aka "thinking differently".
Any set of people greater than 2 or so that can be classified and sub classified based on some type of interpersonal relationship is fair game for being called a social group and potentially a splintered social group. This does not seem controversial.
So yeah, those are social groups. They mostly have subdivisions (not sure on Scientology) and they make up part of another social group (religious people). Again, I fail to see the controversy.
What I see is you painting an agenda on a group that is mostly stating the obvious with referenced quotations. I am not angry. I was confused, but now I am just bemused.
- Submariner September 25, 2009 2:48AM
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Facts speak louder than rhetoric
John Lennon(Singer):
Some years before, during his interview with an�American Magazine, he said: 'Christianity will end, it will disappear.I do not have to argue about that. I am certain.
Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him'.Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times. Not by a person of faith!
Tancredo Neves(President of Brazil):
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him fromPresidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.
Cazuza(Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet): During A show in Canecio ( Rio de Janeiro)while smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said:'God, that's for you.'
He died at the age of 32 of LUNG CANCER in a horrible manner.
The man who built the Titanic:
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said: 'Not even God can sink it' The result:I think you all know what happened to the Titanic
Marilyn Monroe(Actress)
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show.He said theSpirit of Godhad sent him to preach to her. After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said: 'I don't need your Jesus'.
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment. Also not by persons of faith!
Bon Scott(Singer) he ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang: 'Don't stop me; I'm going down all the way, down the highway to hell'..On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own vomit.
Campinas(IN 2005) In Campinas,Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend..... The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: 'My Daughter, Go With God And May He Protect You.' She responded: 'Only If He (God) Travels In The Trunk, Cause Inside Here......It's Already Full ' Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact.. The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none was broken.
Christine Hewitt(Jamaican Journalist and entertainer)said the Bible (Word of God) was the worst book ever written. In June 2006 she was found burnt beyond recognition in her motor vehicle.
People condemn themselves, in my opinion, by how they live and what they say about Gd and Jesus. The truth is its Jesus that saves us!
- angelmama
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Find me a saint
that lived forever.
Death comes for everyone.
Also, if your God kills people for saying bad stuff about him, he's a terrible person.
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Gd did not kill them, they killed themselves!
First Gd is not a person, He is a force , a spirit, more powerful than all power put into a million atoms all bursting at once.
Second people kill people. Your comment is like blaming parents for their adult childs behaviour...pleez..its time to grown up! A too common event is that people start thinking that there is no Gd, there is no good in life but what I make of it, and life is only the x number of years I have been given because my parents did not abort me. Too often people fall into that lazy thinking that their life is not any more significant than a cats or insects life. When will you stop taking the worldly road and secularistic progressives path because only someone who blames Gd for what they do or what satan does would dare make that kind of statement.
I heard once that to prove something you only need to prove its opposite if you believe that everything has its opposite in life. To prove Gd exists just prove satan exists and I think these statements made by this individuals proves that satan exists. Gd wants no man to perish He has set in motion a set of laws which allows us to self govern and that our decisions have with each and everyone of them consequences, some to life and some to death. These individuals choose death. How can you blame Gd for that? Would you rather not have choice in life and be zoombies much like those who have fallen for this worlds view of humanity, which is to blame Gd, blame your parents, blame genetics, blame...anyone but yourself philosophy. Best thing about owning your decisions is that you can change them and you can determine your next step in life and plan out what direction you will go toward.
These stories are not to scare someone into believing in Gd they should make one think on whether there is a evil force, a satan , that exists and possibly consider that those who choose that path are not wise.
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September 25, 2009 5:27PM
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god did kill
You cant have it both ways. In the bible , which of course is just a bunch of stories made up, it tels you to kill and stone, even me, to death. He sends floods but the rich are not living there .They say is there is a god he must be rich for the rich always look after themselves.
That sure is convenient making up a saturn to blame it on, Oh it wasnt me mother , it was him.
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Again you take all responsiblity away from individuals
Dont you think if someone put on a sleazy dress and walked into a bar and attempted to seduce drunk men that they might have a high risk of being beaten up or raped? Would you blame only the attacker? Did that person have control over their decisions to put themselves at harms way? Did the victim have no inclining of responsiblity for their promiscuous behaviour?
Gd said the wages of sin is death...if I told you not to get to close to the edge of the cliff because the fall could kill you...am I cursing you or am I warning you of danger? Gd warns of us danger, we have the ability to choose to listne or ignore wise advice .If you want to bury your head in the ground and be bitter toward Gd thats your choice but if I wer you Id just say I believe in Gd or I dont I wouldnt blame Him for my own attitudes about life and Him.
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said
"Gd said the wages of sin is death..."
To be fair it is the Christian Bible that tells us that God said that, I don't believe that it says that in the Vedic texts, or the Egyptian... or many other religious texts that claim to speak for their respective deities.
"f I told you not to get to close to the edge of the cliff because the fall could kill you...am I cursing you or am I warning you of danger? Gd warns of us danger, we have the ability to choose to listne or ignore wise advice ."
The difference is that God created the 'cliff' and then gave us the desire to walk over it.
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opposites
"I heard once that to prove something you only need to prove its opposite if you believe that everything has its opposite in life. To prove Gd exists just prove satan exists and I think these statements made by this individuals proves that satan exists"
Well first I don't know how those statements 'prove' that Satan exists... they are just random stuff that happened to people before they died. There is likely an equal, if not greater, number of people who said positive things about God just before they died.
There is no way to prove that something exists by first showing that it's opposite exists (you may be thinking of proof by contradiction, which is not proving the opposite).
"When will you stop taking the worldly road and secularistic progressives path because only someone who blames Gd for what they do or what satan does would dare make that kind of statement."
What does taking a worldly road have to do with blaming a deity?
"These stories are not to scare someone into believing in Gd they should make one think on whether there is a evil force, a satan , that exists and possibly consider that those who choose that path are not wise."
Wouldn't Satan want to protect such individuals? If people who spoke ill of God were less likely to die then their numbers would increase.
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I dont know how much you know about satanism
I only know what Ive seen in some teachers and some doctors lives, being in the medical field, and I can tell you that evil most assuredly exists, and your welfare and good health is the last of its concerns! I have read about black masses from witches and I can tell you that they claim to have seen the devil himself,which would scare some, not me, it only proves to me that my faith in Gd is not misplaced, but theirs most certainly will prove to be.
On the contrary, satan might protect one of his own but only until he is done using that person and then they are discarded like trash while he moves onto fresh meat ! So the answer is no, not really.
Although satanists claim to have much power and this becomes hard for them to let go of, they also claim that that way of life is self destructive and also illegal and harmful to others as well. Bottom line is that if your caught in the satanic web the only person who can free you from it is Jesus Christ, because Gd finds that lifestyle an abomination and cannot look at it, but Jesus and His blood are the only powerful tools against satanism and much like homosexuality people are leaving it and finding that Jesus was the only way they could! PTL!
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gates
A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin, and asked: "Is there really a paradise and a hell?"
"Who are you?" inquired Hakuin.
"I am a samurai," the warrior replied.
"You, a soldier!" exclaimed Hakuin. "What kind of ruler would have you as his guard? Your face looks like that of a beggar."
Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword, but Hakuin continued: "So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too dull to cut off my head."
As Nobushige drew his sword Hakuin remarked: "Here open the gates of hell!"
At these words the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline , sheathed his sword and bowed.
"Here open the gates of paradise," said Hakuin.
- MrBook
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Sounds like
one of those chain emails.
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chilly
"After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said: 'Not even God can sink it' The result:I think you all know what happened to the Titanic"
So because the guy that built the Titanic made an arrogant statement God drowned hundreds of people in freezing cold water ? Sounds a bit on the psychopathic side to me...
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No just life
I once told someone that there is no way that on our first day at dental assistant training they would have us take x-rays alone. Convinced I was right I entered the dentists office and the dental assistant handed me an xray cover and pointed to the xray room and said have at it! I could have fainted on the spot! I just stood there with a deer in the headlights look saying NO WAY!
Such is life...IRONIC as all get out!
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Joke
I've always liked about Jesus saves me people...
Works better on the prayer saves lives but oh well.
There was a ship that sunk in the ocean. Everyone, but one man drown. This man thought that Jesus must have saved him from his sinning ship mates.
Eventually a ship comes by to rescue him and he tells them that he's fine and Jesus will save him.
A second boat comes by and asks him if he needs help. He again reply's," no Jesus will save me."
A third boat comes by with the same results.
Shortly after the third boat the man drowns.
The man get's to heaven and is a little confused on why he died so he seeks out Jesus and asks him why he didn't save him. He tells Jesus about all the good he had done and how he had accepted him as his savior.
Jesus asks the man,"Didn't you get the boats I sent?"
That's all.
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point?
So then what is the point? If God is not causing these occurrences... that is they are just happenstance... then why bring them up?
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Irony, but in all irony is a bit of truth dont you think?
Just as in sarcasm, truth is masked,it becomes an effective way to prove a point and I think that those who wish to mock Gd should know that that path is riddled with tragedy because any path not Gds is just a big pothole. Which leads me to think of California...pots and holes....gotta love the irony.
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unfounded
The godless path is no more riddled with tragedy then the godly one.
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I disagree with that statement
I have walked both roads and I disagree with you. The road Im on now the only tragedies I encounter are from those who hate me because Im a Christian who is not silent about the corruption against students in public schools and how the system covers for itself and in doing so creates the perfect medium for predators.
The life i lived outside the Christian community was the most heartwrenching for me. I cried myself to sleep many a night because of what they did to me or on many occassions awoke with tears running down my face but I dont cry anymore like that, I smile and dance and sing and smile and that feels sooo good. Oh I have an occassional bad day and that is usually because one of my enemies is pissed off and gets jollies from kicking me around.Im a survivor and with my faith I feel secure in the future.
I praise Gd for if when we give a glass of water in the Lords name we are given a heavenly reward imagine what kind of heavenly blessing we have in store when we are falsely accused and set up and shamelessly destroyed by the ones who themselves are criminals? That gives me hope and peace and a smile deep in my soul and heart. Have a good night.
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50,000 Muslims in D.C.
As long as their demonstration
is peaceful they have the
right to do it.
As to the Religious Right---
"People in stained glass houses shouldn't throw stones!"
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