For people on the sidelines of yesterday's health care showdown in the Senate Finance Committee, the biggest stunner wasn't the defeat of the public option--but the fact that it died in this Committee under friendly fire. With help from five key Democrats, the Republicans finally put liberals on the run in the first two major offensives in the fight over government-controlled health care. Senator Jay Rockefeller's (D-W.Va.) amendment, which would have added a strong public health insurance option to the exchange, fell first, beat back by his own Democratic colleagues Senators Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), Ben Nelson (D-Nebr.), and Thomas Carper (D-Del.). Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) tried next with an amendment that was a watered down version of the public plan. His proposal also failed, but unlike Rockefeller's amendment, Schumer's measure did have the backing Senators Carper and Nelson.
Despite the victories yesterday, it would be premature to eulogize the public option just yet. While the plan may be dead in the Senate Finance Committee, it's still very much alive among the Democratic leadership. As plenty of people have pointed out, both Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) have promised to inject the public option in any final bill.
With the focus temporarily off of the public option, the Senate Finance Committee continued its final mark-up today with votes on FRC's key issues like health care rationing, conscience rights, and abortion. Unfortunately, all the pro-family amendments offered today failed, further guaranteeing taxpayer funding of abortion and health care rationing will be included in the final version.
As Congress deliberates, voters are getting increasingly anxious over another aspect of the President's plan--a mandate that threatens to throw Americans in jail who don't have a government-defined health care plan. (Of course, the irony is that everyone in prison gets free health care!) The Joint Committee on Taxation confirmed this last week when its Chief of Staff, Tom Barthold, sent Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) a hand-written note, which said, "Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 fine." Sen. Ensign was quick to argue that the Constitution doesn't give the government the power to mandate the purchase of insurance. Still, this President has given every indication that he will not be content until he not only regulates health care--but the lives of the patients too.
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OPINION:Public Option Down, But Not Necessarily Out
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A Public Option - YES.
There are THREE bills in the House that include a Public Option; and ONE (Kennedy's Health Committee bill) in the Senate with a Public Option. It is only the Senate Finance Committee bill, the Baucus Bill, that does not include a pubic option. Baucus is a Democrat, and BAUCUS, CONRAD, LINCOLN, NELSON and CARPER are DEMOCRATS on the Committee and are voting NO with all the Republicans on a Public Option. They need to hear from us - and Pelosi and Reid need to hear fom us.
I've watched much of the debate and mark-up on the Finance Bill and am convinced that without the Public Option the Insurance, Big Pharma and their stockholders will have their way with us -- and no real reform is likely to occur. GO 4 THE PUBLIC OPTION so all citizens will have coverage, and as a way to make/keep Private Insurers accountable & reasonable.
Have you read the amount of $$$$ the Insurance, Pharma and some other med groups are paying to defeat a Public Option? They know what is in their interest - hopefully the citizens will know what is in their interest and in the interest of our country.
- helent75
September 30, 2009 9:59PM
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The public option
Is nothing more that a vehicle to usher in Single Payer.
We heard its death rattle when Congress broke for recess. Obama desperately wanted this sham passed with as little investigation as possible.
Like the stimulus bill ... the one they didn't even read. With all the bonuses buried in it. Obama and co. wanted the healthcare bill to work in the same way.
It didn't and when people started seeing the crap the congress almost passed, they took to the streets. Public option cannot and will not pass the Senate .
It does not have enough votes.
- SolarSanitizer
October 1, 2009 12:40AM
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Question ...
If a public option led to a single payer system, wouldn't that mean the public option was overwhelmingly the best choice? Health Care is a virtually mandatory commodity (which is why price distortion occurs - "opening up state lines" and "free markets" cannot solve it because it isn't a normal market. Kenneth Arrow demonstrated this a long time ago, a neoclassical economist no less!). Do you honestly believe that if someone can afford their current health care they are going to buy into the public option even if it's cheaper (and the pricing scheme in the bill isn't significantly less BTW) when the coverage would entail so-called rationing and terrible care? Of course not. For a necessary commodity the consumer will always spend more than they are comfortably able to, in order to ensure the quality of that commodity (several econometric studies have been done demonstrating this by people like Vernon Smith). So, if the public option is so terrible - nobody is going to buy into it; hence, de facto single payer would never occur.
Considering conservatives and republicans are so confident the public option would provide rationing and sub-prime care - they should be willing to go along with it, since it will see no enrollment because of how terrible it is.
Unless, Republicans are actually afraid it might work?
I think my father might have enjoyed a public option when he was forced to declare bankruptcy so he could provide me with chemotherapy when I was 12-14 because our insurance company decided that it wasn't covered under my plan because the tumor had been removed via surgery thus no coverage for it since I didn't "need it". I kid you not, that was basically their reasoning. My care was rejected through government programs like Medicaid, apparently we weren't eligible. This is the great coverage provided by our current government and a private insurer through my fathers employer. I say, let's continue to let the free market insurers, who give bonuses to their employees for dropping people like me from their coverage roll, and continue the great tradition of capitalism.
I believe in entirely free markets (with oversight and proper regulations) on just about everything. But while I may not need a new car - I would appreciate it if my family wasn't bankrupted because my insurer decided "hey, let's not cover them anymore."
You have to understand health care isn't a free market because of the mandatory purchase of the commodity (really, you decide if you want to get that bypass?) significantly limiting a great deal of incentive to reduce price. Think why similar flat screen were priced at similar levels and then they all started dropping in cost rapidly, pricing reduction was driven primarily by providing incentive to the consumer to purchase. That doesn't exist in health care. You have insurance companies who suffer from asymmetric information engaging in adverse selection, driving up prices - oh and they drop people who are dying for profit! We have the whole societal notion "let's not let people die", and so pricing is distorted because of government programs like SCHIP / Medicaid / Medicare. It's not a normal market so free markets don't work - hence why a public option would help balance this.
- caelum
October 1, 2009 9:26AM
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Big question.
"If a public option led to a single payer system, wouldn't that mean the public option was overwhelmingly the best choice?"
No. It would not lead to single payer through normal practice, but by creating a situation where insurance companies would be unable to compete and subsequently fail. As nature abhors a vacuum, so do Americas. Especially when their lives are at risk. Given the horrible choice between no healthcare insurance and Government-provided single payer, the choice would be simple. Simple but sh!tty.
"Health Care is a virtually mandatory commodity (which is why price distortion occurs - "opening up state lines" and "free markets" cannot solve it because it isn't a normal market."
Food is more of a mandatory commodity than healthcare insurance will ever become. It does just fine with interstate commerce. I would say: "thrives" even. The reason healthcare insurance is in such an untenable position is because of government interference at every level. Mainly subsidies are creating an artificial stability. If subsidies didn't prop up businesses, they would not be able to perpetrate such crappy practices as cutting off policies when the patient gets sick. For if they did, and word got out, they would suffer from lack of funds and would go under. I blame congress for creating this untenable situation and find it disingenuous that they now decry the activities. Shades of "executive bonuses".
I know I didn't cover but the first couple sentences, but it is not a simple issue.
- SolarSanitizer
October 1, 2009 9:41AM
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Why?
Would insurance companies be unable to compete? There is no evidence for that unless you agree Americans would love the public option so much it the insurance companies would go out of business, in which case, you are saying the public option would be great.
Food is even more government regulated than health care through various farm subsidies, conservation payments, government standards and practices, USDA regulations.
The majority of companies receiving funds from the government that engage in these practices don't even need them in the slightest and would still stand as the largest corporation out there so your argument just doesn't hold water that government subsidies prop up companies like CIGNA - unless they are getting a back-door $17 Billion dollar subsidy!
- caelum
October 3, 2009 3:05PM
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You have to defend against conspiracy
when you're trying to argue this. Which is...pretty impossible, but we're sort of expected to do it anyways, if we want to support anything government does.
It's like the birther thing--Argue against evidence that doesn't exist, but theoretically could!
- quantummechanik
October 3, 2009 5:35PM
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Strange logic Solar -
The Public Option is well thought out and is in 4 of the 5 bills currently being considered. It will force the For Profit and Stockholders Insurance and Pharma to perhaps begin to really serve ALL citizens of our country. I'm so 'sick' of all the Drug advertising on the media , and all the lobbyist money (both costs passed down to those needing health care . It is disgusting that Medicare cannot negotiate with Drug Companies to get bulk prices on well prescribed and effective drugs for high BP, cholesterol etc. as does the Veteran's Admin. We have been used and abused by these big for profit companies to the detriment of good health care and delivery in this country long enough. the Public Option will put then on notice ----- Every civilized country provides health care at affordable prices to all of its citizens. The Republicans have NEVER been forward looking regarding any issue that helps ALL citizens. Ds can't expect them to act otherwise on this issue. JUST DO IT Ds.
- helent75
October 1, 2009 3:07PM
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Epidemics versus health care
If the public option in all its formats dies , this country is contributing to its own demise. We’re already seeing the flu epidemic increase because people can’t afford to go to the doctor for early diagnosis! See for example, pandemics versus health care .
http://stoptheworldiwannagetoff.com/2009/10/31/h1n1-swine-flu-epidemic-vs-health-care /
- ukmarcus
November 1, 2009 9:48AM
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