A resolution introduced in the Oklahoma legislature by GOP State Rep. Sally Kern blames the nation's economic woes on
gay pride celebrations, lack of public
prayer,
abortion and "debauchery."
Dr. Ed Buckner, president of American Atheists, said that the bizarre claim "betrays not only intellectual
bankruptcy, but insults the intelligence of voters in Oklahoma and the rest of the country who want real solutions to the serious economic difficulties that face our nation. The resolution offered is not only counter-productive, it severely misquotes key founding fathers. Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, and probably Washington as well would be appalled at being falsely claimed by these anti-American yahoos."
The "Oklahoma Citizen's Proclamation for Morality" singles out President Obama for recognizing June as LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bi-Sexual and Transgendered) Pride Month, and charges that America is economic peril because of "abortion,
pornography,
same-sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse and many other forms of debauchery."
"With all of the recent scandals involving self-righteous politicians, I first thought this Resolution was talking about religious Republicans," quipped Dave Silverman, Communications Director for American Atheists. "Political leaders, especially those wrapping themselves in the rhetoric of the religious right, are the last people who should be trying to dictate how Americans should live their lives."
Mr. Silverman expressed skepticism that the measure would be approved, though. The Religious Right is in their last throes of life, and this is just their latest attempt to make news and get attention. This is unimportant, not only because it means nothing, nor because it will do nothing, nor because it will promote yesterday's bigotry, but rather
because it is just plain ridiculous. This is not an issue to fight, but rather one to watch with amusement, and to remind us of how far we as a country have evolved.
The Resolution ends with a call for God to "have mercy on this nation, to stay His hand of judgment and grant a national awakening of righteousness and Christian renewal as we repent of our great sin."
Edwin Kagin, National Legal Director for American Atheists, said that Rep. Kern's Resolution "is all about Demagoguery, not debauchery."
"Once again, we're blaming complex social problems on the religious right's idea of sinful behavior," said Kagin. "It appears that Rep. Kern and her supporters know less about economics than they do using
religion to promote a theocratic social agenda."
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Once again...
The left's response is to completely reject all points, begin name calling and offer no solutions. You are part of the problem. The largest problem in this country is the inability of either side to rationally discuss the issues. Both revert to name calling, and intellectual dishonesty. Is part of the reason for our problems due to the entitlement, which is an odd way to reference social programs, mindset that pervades the left? You bet. Is part of the reason for our issues a lack of morals in this counrty? I believe so. Is part of our problem the right's refusal to value all people? Yes. Both sides have contributed to our issues. But neither will admit it nor set aside their vitriol to discuss issues rationally. This opinion piece is the poster boy for the left's "we only are tolerent of those who agree with us" attitude. Nice.
- moby clarke
July 2, 2009 12:55AM
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It's all fine and dandy for someone to have certain strong beliefs religious beliefs. But it becomes devoid of the dandiness when that person makes outrageous claims that " terrorism " and the economic problems are caused by people who go against their religious grain. I say they are outrageous claims because they do not offer any sort of logical explanation about why their claims are true. It is entirely backed by a specific religious viewpoint which has no place in dictating how the rest of the people in the country should live. Not everybody has the same religious beliefs.
- learnlogic
July 2, 2009 7:31AM
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Such is the role of the comic jester
One thing that comedians have learned so well is that some topics are not refuted best with debate but are so absurd that comedy is the only way to marginalize something for the craziness that it is.
Maybe you agree with the resolution, maybe you don't, but how best to respond to such insanity (as viewed from the opposing side) than with comedy?
I thought their response was actually the most responsible way of handling it
- Rice klowN
July 2, 2009 10:37AM
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You are missing the point
Belief in any god (s), pink unicorns, santa claus, tooth fairies, the mercury retrograde, the link between vaccines and autism , astrology, alchemy, a flat earth, creationism , intelligent design , .... are all SUPERSTITION because there is no shred of verifiable and falsifiable evidence for any of them whatsoever.
We have to RESPECT ALL PEOPLE and we have to RIDICULE ALL SUPERSTITIONS. Tolerance relates to people not to the nonsense they may believe in.
Since we live in a country with a constitutional separation between reason (state) and superstition ( church ), we have to strongly combat any attempt to let superstition dictate public policy and law .
This article ridiculing Sally Kern's absurd resolution in the Oklahoma legislature is therefore right on target.
- gma
July 2, 2009 7:12PM
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Where?
Please point specifically to the article in the Constitution that expresses there is a separation between Church and State? I cannot seem to find that in my copy.
- moby clarke
July 2, 2009 9:58PM
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If we're going to base things off of religious law
Who says we need to go with Christian?
- quantummechanik
July 3, 2009 12:52AM
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Here it is
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion , or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
THIS MEANS that any law based on what any god (which one?) wants violates this 1st amendment.
Really simple and clear!
- gma
July 3, 2009 11:29AM
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Nice, but incorrect.
You are kidding, correct? The FF wrote the first amendment to prohibit the establishment of a national religion . Read it again, "no law respecting the establishment..." They wanted no national religion, ie The Church of England. What else do you have?
- moby clarke
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state religion
This is clearly a declaration that was not just based in Christian principals, but a declaration of Christian principals. It seems to be to tread dangerously close to an official proclamation of the state of Oklahoma as a Christian, not secular, state.
I am rather disturbed by this statement, saying that we are in this crisis because some people did not say their prayers at night and thus an imaginary 'father figure' is striking us down with metaphorical lightning? Clear thinking and honest review of what brought us to this point is what is needed, not more kneeling.
- MrBook
July 4, 2009 1:24PM
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Hey, if you'd like to debate this
I'm happy to do so. From the left's perspective, we're actually pretty happy when Republicans do things like this. Most of America is rational, thoughtful, intellectually functioning, and they can tell how ridiculous that sounds, attributing her saying it to either: a) pandering to an overly religious base which makes her disingenuous about religion --a big no-no, or b) seriously believes that gay people doing whatever they do caused the economic collapse. I'll tell you what--give me a point-by-point outline of the argument and I'll refute it, seriously, respectfully and honestly.
- quantummechanik
July 2, 2009 10:27PM
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What points?
"This opinion piece is the poster boy for the left's "we only are tolerent of those who agree with us" attitude."
Moby, only the "left"??? Uhm, so those who would see this country become a theocratic dictatorship are the "good guys"?
And as far as rejecting talking points, State Rep. Kern's only points are based on her personal belief system, which she is attempting to legislate into existance against a secular society . I wonder if she even bothers to study history (or even just watch the history channel!). Many of our founding "fathers" were Free Masons; a secular organization. And there is no mention of the United States being a "Christian Nation" in the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution. The rebels that initiated the "grand experiment" were intellectuals that wanted separation of church and state for a reason. So just as any citizen has a constitutional right to practice their religion of choice, so do we also have the right to freedom FROM religion.
Joanna, CA
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July 7, 2009 7:34PM
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Homosexuality is NOT a sin
Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Any educated Christian would know that. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality . These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, prostitution , and rape, not homosexuality.
http://www.soulfoodministry.org/docs/English/NotASin.htm
http://www.jesus21.com/content/sex/bible_homosexuality_print.html
http://www.christchapel.com/romans_inter.html
http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/BiblicalReferences.php
http://www.gaychristian101.com /
Thats why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. Jesus, however, clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will.
This is very similar to the religious bigots of the past, where they took Bible passages to condone slavery, keep women down, and used Bible passages to claim blacks as curses who should be enslaved by the white man. People used God to claim that blacks marrying whites was unnatural, and not of God's will.
- ShadowMan
July 3, 2009 12:50AM
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Homosexuality is not a choice
Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don't choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality , studies tend to indicate that its biological.
http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/03/differential-brain-activation.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html
Gay, Straight Men's Brain Responses Differ
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0 ,2933,155990,00.html
http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276 /
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/06/16/172 /
There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. "Nurture" may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological.
- ShadowMan
July 3, 2009 12:57AM
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