By Steve McConkey Jimmy Carter recently had an editorial in the
Guardian newspaper in Great Britain. In this editorial, he said he severed his ties to the Southern Baptist Church over women's rights. Then he challenged all religious leaders to promote the freedom of women. His message promoted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights set down by the United Nations.
Despite the rhetoric, our main concern is that Carter has not been very clear on the main rights of women in our current time-- the right to protect a baby's life and the rights of women in Islamic countries.
Abortion is the ultimate human rights violation of our time. In a
National Review article, while campaigning in 1976, he told Catholic audiences that he was against
abortion and then told feminist groups that he supported abortion rights, the same position he had as a governor. Today, his position is "I'm personally opposed to abortion, but woman have the right."
With 42 million babies aborted per year, Carter should stand for life clearly. Instead, he compromises the core rights of women, as 21 of the 42 million aborted babies per year are women.
Also, he has befriended Islamic terrorist groups like the Hamas. They have horrific policies in the treatment of women. Recently on the Gaza Strip, there have been "honor killings," in which a woman may be murdered by male relatives for sex outside of
marriage. Carter mentioned in his editorial that he is challenging Islamic countries to change their policies, however, why does he become friends with Hamas leaders who clearly treat other human beings with such contempt?
Underground believes that Jimmy Carter should spend more time tackling the abortion problem and the violations of human rights by terrorist groups. Yes, there are some violations of women by Christians, but the majority of true Christians treat others with respect. The vast majority of Southern Baptists are decent people.
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OPINION: Jimmy Carter Wrong On Southern Baptist Church & Women
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Jimmy - I want my vote back
I voted for you way back when. I think you have lost touch with reality. The Baptist Church is what it is. I am Methodist and the church does somethings I don't care for. But, it is the Methodist Church. I worship God and Jesus and call upon the Holy Ghost. I do not worship the church. Both denominations have their positives and their negatives. Remember only Jesus was perfect!
Jimmy, you need to get beyond yourself. Take I and Me out of your vocabulary and you will be better off.
Blessings from North Georgia!
- JWINGEORGIA
July 22, 2009 3:33PM
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So...
You're saying he's wrong, but you haven't actually refuted or argued anything he's said. You've just disseminated, talked about unrelated issues..
Perhaps you misunderstand the word "wrong".
- quantummechanik
July 22, 2009 3:38PM
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feeble defence
In other words;
"Yeah, but those other people do it more!"
The abuse of women in Moslem society is undeniable, but does not excuse abuse of women in baptist society. You cannot get away with ignoring what's on your front steps because you are looking off into the distance.
I would suggest that what YOU think is "decent treatment" might not seem so to many women.
- homa sapiens
July 22, 2009 6:16PM
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Wrong? Far, far from it
Carter is quite right to support human rights and you do nothing in your response to dispute that. He's made it abundantly clear that he supports advancing women's rights globally, including in Islamic countries. "He has befriended Islamic terrorist groups like the Hamas"? Please. Negotiating and mediating have nothing to do with "befriending." But you already know that, don't you, Steve?
What former President Carter is doing is stating his human belief that women should not be denied any of the rights assigned to men by society . You don't even bother to address his main points.
More importantly, I am alarmed by your blithe misrepresentation of his political and personal positions on abortion . It isn’t unusual to have diverging personal and political views. He has said that he is personally against abortion, and he is. He always has been. But he also has said that he supports abortion rights, which he does. He supports the right of every woman to choose whether to continue carrying a pregnancy . Just as every woman -- every human being -- has the right to choose her own spiritual path and faith practices, he believes that every human being has the right to choose how to treat his or her own body.
It takes a certain faith -- spiritual belief -- to state that every zygote is, from the moment of conception, a human life. (A zygote is the ball of cells that forms at conception, becomes a blastocyst and develops into an embryo three weeks after implantation in the uterus). If you have faith that human life begins at conception, of course you would never choose to allow your genetic material to be used in stem cell research , nor would you use an IUD or morning-after pills for birth control, nor would you participate in IVF treatments. That's your choice. That's your right.
But many other humans -- including many of those who share your Christian faith -- have an opposing belief about when a human life begins. From the perspective of science , each zygote MAY evolve into a human life (oh, wait, you may not believe in evolution , either; let me restate)... Each zygote MAY develop into a human life, but until a fully functioning human brain forms, it remains (from an empirical standpoint) a POTENTIAL human life. There's a big difference between actual and potential. A molar pregnancy, for instance, can never develop into an actual human life. It's impossible. The genetic material simply isn't there. Failing to abort a molar pregnancy, however, sharply increases a woman's risk of developing cancer . Most molar pregnancies abort naturally (that's the medical term for miscarriage, by the way, "abortion"), but for those few that do not, a manual abortion becomes a vital medical necessity.
So, let's go one more step. If it requires FAITH to believe that every zygote is a human life, then it requires FAITH to believe that every embryo is a human life. The neural tube -- where the fledgling spinal cord and brain are forming -- doesn't close until week six, which is about the same time the heart has formed sufficiently to begin to beat. At this point, many more people of faith would agree with you that we're talking about an actual human life. These people would choose not to have an abortion after this stage. That's their right. That's their choice. In week 8, spinal fluid begins to move through the developing brain. Is it a fully human brain? Again, that's a matter of faith or conscience. There are no pain receptors -- no sense receptors of any kind, for that matter -- so we still have a large number of people who believe that, no, this is still not a human baby. Should society legislate what they must believe?
The further along we go with development of the embryo into a fetus, the more agreement we see amongst people of faith and atheists alike that there is an actual human life inside that uterus. So the correct abortion problem to tackle, logically, would be at what point to take the choice away from an individual woman and put it in society's hands. That is, after all, what abortion legislation does.
But, don't you see? That's the problem. Abortion is NOT a black-and-white issue. One can't simply be "for" it or "against" it. When you urge President Carter to "spend more time tackling the abortion problem and the violations of human rights by terrorist groups" rather than discussing his reasons for leaving his church , you negate his life's work in support of human rights for ALL people. That's unfair and downright mean-spirited. And when you say in your headline that he's "wrong on Southern Baptist Church & Women," and then fail to address either issue in your comments, it becomes clear that you never read his editorial in the first place.
- jraedupree
July 22, 2009 7:53PM
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Histories greatest monster!
Not liking abortion , but still respecting a woman's right to chose it, is a reasonable position to me.
- MrBook
July 22, 2009 8:37PM
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Jimmy want's some of the spot light
He still was bad for the US. And he's still bad for the US.
- countryboy
July 25, 2009 2:33PM
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You still batting 0!
You still can't get it right my friend! Make stupid remarks without any facts to back it up!
I was no great fan of Carter when he was President, but like I mentioned in my article, he has done so much since he left office to earn my respect and gratitude! His foundation has helped thousands of people worldwide to escape hunger and disease and he continues to speak out around the world promoting peace and understanding! I guarantee you that your man George Bush, will never do anything to better our world! I see him fishing and spending time at his family's compound in Maine! I can't think of any ex-president besides Bill Clinton that has been so active as Carter! Bush has no interest in doing anything that might benefit society and Pres Reagan, when he left office, was to lazy to give a damn!
- philly53
September 1, 2009 5:23PM
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Carter
Why would you say your man George Bush?It sounds like hes more like you!Lacking some understanding
When it comes to Carter he had to do something right after he was president.Because he did everything wrong as president!Can you name and thing Good Carter did as president?
- countryboy
September 1, 2009 6:45PM
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Camp David Peace Accords
I told you that he was a much better humanitarian than President but if you want me to list accomplishments than bringing the Israelis and the Egyptians together and signing the first ever peace treaty between an Arab country and the Jewish state of Israel!
Also, after the dark years of the Nixon Administration, it was a breath of fresh air to have someone who didn't have an "enemies
list" and tried to get along with everybody esp in Congress! I admired many of the policies that Nixon advanced but he had a very dark side unlike Carter.
- philly53
September 2, 2009 6:51AM
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Jimmy
What about Iran.We would not be having the problems in Iran if Carter would of taken a stand on Iran.
Carter was a sunday school teacher at a southeren baptist church Back then.And a dam good one!
- countryboy
September 2, 2009 4:11PM
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What's your Point?
You take issue for what he failed to do in Iran but then say what a wonderful sunday school teacher he was! I agree that he was an is a great Christian an devout believer! On Iran, you fail to remember in Aprl 1980 when he approved a military plan to rescue the hostages-isn't that taking a stand-even though it tragically failed! I remember because I was serving in the Army in Germany at that time in the Intelligence field at V Corp headquarters! Carter was not the sole President that was responsible for the anti-Americanism in Iran going back to World War 2.
We organized a coup against their government in 1953 which brought in the Shaw who in turn ran the country as a tyrant for the next 30 years! No wonder the masses never really liked us! Need to read your history but keep trying countryboy, you'll get it right eventually!
- philly53
September 2, 2009 5:03PM
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JIMMY CARTER
Also he was wrong for America!
- countryboy
July 24, 2009 7:57PM
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Jimmy Carter has it right!
I was President's Ford's campaign chairman, while attending the University of Oklahoma way back in 1976! I had the honor to speak to the President in private when he came to Oklahoma and I had a chance to meet his son, Jack on a separate occasion. I mention this, because I have a tremendous amount of respect for Jimmy Carter-more for the humanitarian, than whe he was President! He has always possessed strong christian morals, respect for those he disagrees with, and reaching out to those in needy-like Habitat for Humanity! You can be personally against abortion , but as President, you are the leader of the country and make tough decisions knowing it will anger some people! He has always encourage adoptions even when he was President! He is a peacemaker and I see nothing wrong with reaching out to our enemies to try to find common ground and get people on both sides to
talk and compromise! Its riduculous to suggest the Carter supports Hamaus-remember, they won in a free election and even though we may be against the results, we must negotiate.
We did that with the Soviets and Chinese and even the Vietnamese after we lost that war! The poor people in the Middle East, are craving for peace and prosperity-I congratulate Carter, and all former Presidents and others, who have tried or still trying to bring peace to that part of the world! Lastly, it was about time that moderates like Carter, felt it was finally time to leave the Southern Baptist Church, and join the more progressive and tolerant, American Baptists or the United Methodists who are light years ahead of the Southern Baptists, when it comes to women's issues and Abortion rights! I am an Episcopalian, but if Jimmy Carter were to join my church , I would be proud and welcome him and his family! He's a good and decent man! I've come a long ways since 1976!
- philly53
September 1, 2009 5:10PM
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