Humane Society Responds to Attacks on Animal Rights Record

By The Humane Society of the United States , Celebrating Animals/Confronting Cruelty - June 07, 2009

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When you are the largest and most accomplished organization in the animal protection movement, it’s logical that you’ll be feared by groups or corporations that stand in the way of progress. They typically don’t argue on the merits of the issues, but instead try to divert attention and reframe the debate. That’s the case with their rejoinders to The HSUS, which is the object of sustained attacks, caricatures, and mischaracterizations by people who inhabit the domains of cockfighting, puppy mills, horse slaughter, trophy hunting, trapping, fur fashion, animal agribusiness, commercial whaling, and other animal exploitation industries. Survey the leadership of any of these economic interests, ask them which group they fear most, and you’ll get these four letters: HSUS. If you doubt that, simply read their blogs or trade publications, and the conclusion is inescapable.

Our work confronting cruelty is unmatched.

They’d ignore us if they thought we were naïve or silly. But the fact is, they fear us because we are effective, we drive public opinion, and we won’t accept their adherence to their present conduct or economic formulas.

While The HSUS may not have always been viewed over the decades as the most influential group in our field, there’s little doubt about our preeminent status now. In the last five years, we’ve combined our operations with other groups or created sister organizations (e.g., The Fund for Animals, Doris Day Animal League, Humane Society Legislative Fund, Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association), added or expanded internal capabilities (e.g., Animal Protection Litigation, Campaigns, Investigations, Equine Protection, Field Services, and Emergency Services), nearly doubled in size, aimed for the mainstream of American thought, and brought a must-win attitude to the fight. We think America, and the world, needs a hard-hitting, highly effective force for animal protection, and that’s exactly what we are.

As counter-maneuvers to our offensives against animal abuse, our opponents try to set up a straw man caricature of The HSUS and then knock it down. Take the case of the public interest hackers at the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), a front group for corporations that cause widespread animal abuse, jeopardize public health, and harm the environment. CCF says The HSUS gets donations by saying it runs or funds the nation’s animal shelters, and even apparently got a local television station to take the bait and regurgitate its viewpoint (the station subsequently took down the piece after we detailed its reckless disregard for the truth).

If anyone reads my daily blog, looks at our website, reads our magazines, or scans our email and direct mail letters, you’ll find no claims that we run America’s 3,500 animal shelters, or serve as a granting agency for them—or that any one organization serves this function. Their accusation is a fiction. In fact, I launched this blog two years ago in order to inform people about the depth and breadth of our programs in public policy and enforcement, corporate reforms, education and awareness building, and hands-on care and services for animals (we provided direct-care services to more than 70,000 animals last year). Yes, we do help shelters in myriad ways, and are tremendous advocates for them, but we do much more than that, because someone has to challenge cruelty in other arenas, and especially at the national and international level. And you, our supporters, know exactly what The HSUS does and what we stand for.

CCF and other opponents would love it if we just gave money to shelters. That way, the corporations that fund CCF would have much clearer sailing in conducting their animal exploitation activities. So CCF’s straw man construction is not only a deceit, but also their fondest desire. Right now, we’re their worst nightmare, and we are not going away.

Yellow tabby kitten at shelter
© The HSUS/Petros
Promoting adoption is one of many priorities.

In the United States, there are 3.7 million dogs and cats euthanized at public and private shelters every year—at least 3 million of them thought to be healthy or treatable and suitable for adoption. That’s a tragedy, and we as a nation must do better when it comes to caring for our companion animals. The HSUS is conducting major national campaigns against puppy mills and dogfighting as part of the answer. We’re launching, with the Ad Council and Maddie’s Fund, a multi-million dollar Shelter Pet Project in July to drive shelter adoptions with the goal of ending euthanasia. We’ve also launched our “After Katrina Project” in the Gulf Coast to drive spaying and neutering, with the hope that the execution of a research-driven, professional marketing effort can move the needle on this problem, succeed in achieving widespread sterilization of dogs and cats, and then allow us to export this plan to other parts of the country. It is our firm ambition and plan to drive euthanasia rates of healthy and treatable animals to levels approaching zero.

And while we are putting significant resources into the fight to eliminate the euthanasia of millions of dogs and cats, and joining our friends at Maddie’s Fund and others in this battle, it would be a terrible dereliction of duty if we did not address the other problems of animals in society. There are 10 billion animals raised for food, principally on factory farms, in America every year—and that’s nearly 30 million a day. There are tens of millions of animals used in laboratory experiments. More than 100 million killed for sport. Tens of millions killed in the fur trade, and tens of millions killed worldwide in cockfights and dogfights.

In addition to criticisms from industry groups, there are individuals who fall within the broad boundaries of the animal protection movement who would like us to spend all of our resources on their favored issue, or gripe because we do not hew to their orthodoxy. But I’m afraid they often miss the bigger picture, and our interest in reaching mainstream Americans. We have to be there for as many animals as we can, and use our finite resources in a highly strategic way to achieve the biggest impacts.

We concentrate, in terms of our offensives against human-caused cruelty, on several major areas: factory farming, animal fighting and cruelty, puppy mills and pet overpopulation, horse slaughter and other equine abuses, seal killing and the fur trade, captive hunts and other hunting abuses, and the trade in wild animals and their parts. And increasingly, we do it not just in the United States, but also abroad.

Take a look at our accomplishments, some of which from the last four years are enumerated here. Overlay it against the other groups in our field, or look at it compared to the past progress for animal protection. You’ll see unmatched achievement and unparalleled progress, and you'll see why your HSUS is the subject of attacks.


So I say to the industry critics, it’s time for you to address these problems, and start adjusting to the evolving ethos in American culture. You’ll get ahead through innovation and adaption, not stubborn adherence to custom or current business operations. And to the single issue folks within our movement, good for you for caring about your favored issues, since animals need all of the advocates and focused attention they can get. But The HSUS must work to fulfill its broader mission, and we won’t criticize others for not working on all of the other issues that we must attend to and cover.

While we help many thousands of animals in distress, our primary strategy is to strike at the root of the problem, rather than to address the symptoms. Whether it’s in the field, in the courts, in legislatures, in influencing public opinion, conducting undercover investigations, or by some other lawful and mainstream means, there’s no group that is a greater agent of change or brings the arsenal of tools we do to the fight for animals.

Again, I encourage you to take a look at our record of achievement in just the last four years.

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  • The Public
    HSUS is misleading

    Ok, after doing a bit of research it is clear that the CCF is a sham front group. If anybody deserves a criminal investigation it is that group. However, HSUS is very misleading with their name and fund raising. For example, notice their new logo (The Humane Society is emphasized), name emphasis (The Humane Society) and web address (humanesociety.org). They are referring to themselves as The Humane Society. Really? Do you think we are that stupid? You are deliberately doing this so the average person who says "I am going to give to the humane society " gives to The Humane Society. This is branding and fund raising 101. Just because you are tossing around more money and raising more money doesn't make you the best. In fact, as I was researching all of these issues I uncovered the fact that HSUS didn't lead on most of the issues they list above. They just came in at the end.

    I am going to find groups less focused on self promotion and fund raising to support. I encourage everyone to do the same.

    Go out and give to your LOCAL animal shelter. They really need your help, not HSUS.

    - The Public June 7, 2009 5:08PM

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  • Indierock
    Easy ego

    Whoa! sound like someone could use a bite of vegan humble pie!

    HSUS does great work...I'm a fan. But I'm guessing when judged pound for pound a lot of other groups come out pretty good too with far fewer staff and much smaller budgets and salaries.

    So to declare themselves the " most accomplished" and "unmatched in confronting cruelty" is a bit rude and pompous.


    - IndierockUS June 7, 2009 9:50PM

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  • rosks304
    HSUS and BSL

    I have no axe to grind with HSUS,and must admit their record on
    taking down dog-fighting is impressive.Another Evil which I and many others are concerned about is BSL and would like to know HSUS attitude towards this Hitler type piece of legislation.

    - rosks304 June 8, 2009 4:12AM

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    • donnawatkins
      HSUS and BSL

      Both HSUS and PETA have horrible records when it comes to BSL. I don't think we are allowed to hyperlink on Opposing Views but if you just Google "HSUS BSL" you will get tons of information, including recent letters written by HSUS employees admitting their pro BSL stance.

      - donnawatkinsUS June 10, 2009 7:45AM

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      • rosks304
        HSUS vs PETA

        Donna I do beleive that it is grossly unfair to compare any organisation with Peta,Peta are not normal.Whereas I do not
        disagree with your attitude towards Hsus,but on certain issues
        I have to admit they do get the job done very well.Re Bsl I have received mixed attitude from them,but I would like them to come out
        opposing this Evil act,I do not care if they steal the limelight as
        I am a beleiver that the new President will not stand for BSL ,one is
        already seeing the about turn that some of the judges are making,
        specifically in Denver and Dade County.At the end of the day this
        Heinous and Evil law must go back from whence it came Hitler's
        Bible MEIN KAMPFF.

        - rosks304 June 10, 2009 9:30AM

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        • donnawatkins
          HSUS and PETA

          I have heard many people state that they think PETA is just around to distract people from all the evils that HSUS does with their shenanigans. I think they are cut from the same cloth- both want to dictate to the public how they should interact with animals . Problematic when both organizations would rid the world of pets , guide dogs, circus animals, race horses, animals that save human lives via research, and animals in the zoo. HSUS gets millions of dollars a year- the majority of it goes to fund anti-pet legislation and the rest goes back into their salaries and propaganda campaigns. Again- Pacelle does not even own a pet and has stated, in interviews, that he doesn't really 'get' the concept of pet ownership . Is this the kind of person you want as your spokesperson? I have a bull breed too and I can answer that question with a resounding NO. HSUS has shown their true colors time and again. They are no friend to BSL affected dogs, much less dogs of any other breed.

          - donnawatkinsUS June 10, 2009 10:19AM

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  • ktcather
    Humane Society Is GREAT!

    If it weren't for the HSUS (and PETA) as well as the local groups, we'd be further behind in our barbaric treatment and disregard of animals . The HSUS is NOT misleading with its name. HSUS is a humane group in the truest sense of the word. (Any group can become a "SPCA"--just put another name in front--and no one bats an eye).
    I try not to support any non profit with high end CEO's--my contributions diminish accordingly, but HSUS stays on the "good" list, as long as they stay active and oppose all (including rodeos, factory farms, "happy cows," horse racing, and all the other horrific practices that our culture condones).
    Wish they would also "sue the bast--rds more often!

    - ktcatherUS June 8, 2009 9:45AM

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    • Lovmypets
      HSUS Propaganda

      ktcather, you really do need to do your home work, they really are a lobbying group bent on the eliminatation of all domestic animals . They say the want more humane conditions for animals, but the laws they lobby for take away the rights of everyone, or make it near impossible to own, raise or have animals of any kind. That includes your own personal pets .
      I can't imagine anyone not wanting humane conditions for our animals, but they are going way too far, hoping to be in complete control of who can and cannot own any animal. They want the right to come into your home with out a warrent I might add , and make sure you are following their own version of dragonian rules and regulations, which are near impossible to meet. That includes your personal pets, dog and cats etc.
      Our pets brighten our lives, give love and companionship and unconditional love. I can not imagine a world or my life without them, they help make life much happier.
      There are some people who do not understand the bond between our pets and ourselves,(Percel admits that he is one of them) I can only feel sorry for those who do not know the love of a four legged companion. But those persons do not have the right to take away that bond that most of us have, just because they don't have it or feel it, or approve of it. Nor should they have the right to force all of us to become vegan's. Our species did not evolve as a strictly veggie eating race. They don't want farmers to raise animals for consumption either. It just goes on and on. Just imagine a world with out our beloved pets, and the only food allowed to be eaten is vegetables. If you and others don't wake up and smell the cover up and keep contributing to this group and others like them, that is what you are going to get. The world will be a sad and sorry place indeed if that happens.

      - LovmypetsUS June 9, 2009 7:43PM

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  • Toller
    HSUS....phooey

    HSUS misappropriated funds they collected to support Katrina dogs and cats. They got the money and then spent little or none of it on that issue. Same was true of the Michael Vick case.

    So, after they misappropriate the money, spending it on political action rather than the care of the animals , an Atlanta TV station reveals the truth and they raise such a fuss that the TV station pulls the video of the story. Tsk, tsk.

    Visit your local shelter and give your money to an agency that does something for the animals, not HSUS who does things only for their own political agenda.

    - TollerUS June 8, 2009 10:00AM

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  • deeh1
    misleading

    The HSUS uses smoke and mirrors using cute puppies and kittens to suck in dollars -- of course everyone who cares about animals is against puppy mills, including the responsible, ethical hobby breeders, many who have started and do rescue. Look at the HSUS financial report. They spend a huge percentage of their funds on administration, printing, mailing, etc. This money could be spent helping animals. If Wayne P. really cared about animals (he doesn't, quotes from him are that he wants all domestic animals extinct, he doesn't really even like animals, etc.) he wouldn't need such a fat salary!
    Give to a local shelter where your money will do more good not to a big political machine like HSUS.

    - deeh1US June 8, 2009 10:47AM

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  • Thetruth53
    Where is the answer?

    They are accomplished when it comes to raising money and giving out large wages for sure. I am not a member of consumer freedom and on and on. They do hire those animal activists that have taken vacations at Club Fed. We are talking of terrorism by today's definition. They don't believe in it, but they hire those who have made violence the answer. They have joined with other organizations for sure, many they have started?? Go figure. They were smart enough to build the big shelter in LA, that stopped LA from taking them on over Katrina, smart move. We know the broader mission of no animal ownership. You would think such a committed organization would cut the excessive wages in order to feed and house a few thousand animals , wait they are too busy doing other things. I don't think I agree with their view of being up there on the cross compared to other animal welfare organizations, give to your local shelter.

    - Thetruth53 June 8, 2009 1:25PM

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  • kathieL
    Wake up America!

    I love that Wayne ends this piece by touting HSUS's wonderful "arsenal of tools" they have to fight for animals .

    I guess if you feel lying, bullying , back door methods, and calling an entire segment of law abiding citizens animal abusers and killers is a ethical and good arsenal, well then, there you have it.

    Extremists groups have an "ends justifies the means" mentality that is just wrong. HSUS is no different. They aim to reach their agenda by shoving their philosophical viewpoint down everyone's throat whether people like it or not. We still (at least for the short time being) live in a country that allows choice. HSUS wants to take our choices away from us...we won't be able to choose to leave our pets intact, we won't be able to choose to buy a dog from a reputable breeder; we won't be able to choose to have as many animals as we feel we can take care of effectively. Nope, HSUS is going to make all those shoices for us

    If you notice through all the crap spewed by HSUS in defending themselves, they NEVER deny that their ultimate goal is one of an animal RIGHTS not WELFARE bent. Wayne accuses HSUS detractors of not addressing the issues but reframing the issue away from the real issue. I'm sorry, but that is exactly what I see HSUS doing, not CCF.

    Why don't you come out and actually DEFINE "puppymill", Wayne. Why is that you say???...because you actually do define EVERY SINGLE breeder who produces a single litter as a puppymill? Hmmm, think that position might not sit well with the "ethos of American culture" you so hope you are getting at, eh? And you know if you define it the way everyone else who is rational defines it (that being a kennel with substandard animal care conditions ), then someone might actually hold you to that definition and you can't then use it as a moving target! When entering into negotiations with the HSUS lobbyist (which is a whole other issue---how HSUS being a 501(c)(3) non-orofit can even have lobbyists) in our state over the quote/unquote "puppy mill bill" they wanted to push, we stated before we could have any meaningful dialog about the issue, we first needed them to define puppy mill and they flat refused to do so. So what does that tell a thinking person...they want to frame the issue without defining it. They have done a good job of it so far because people have gone along blindly until now assuming we were all defining it the same way. I pray people are wising up.

    HSUS is appearing to become extremely arrogant. I say, keep up that arrogance, Wayne, because there is nothing people love more than arrogance and smugness!

    - kathieLUS June 8, 2009 2:57PM

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  • Word Star
    CCF's Rick Berman's son speaks out...

    Three cheers for the HSUS!

    About Rick Berman and the CCF. Here's what Rick Berman's son says about his own father:

    "My father.

    "You might be surprised to know he is famous, for terrible reasons."

    "My father is a despicable man. My father is a sort of human molestor.

    "An exploiter. A scoundrel. A world historical motherfucking son of a bitch. (sorry grandma) …"

    "A couple of years ago I demanded he stop his work. Close down his company or I would sever our relationship."

    "He refused. He has just gotten worse. More evil. More powerful. We’ve been “estranged” for over three years.”

    “He props up fast food /soda/factory farming/childhood obesity and diabetes/drunk driving/secondhand smoke. He attacks animal lovers, ecologists, civil action attorneys, scientists, dieticians, doctors , teachers… This winter I decided that the SJs were too small of a force to ever come close to undoing a millionth of all the harm he has caused. To you and everyone you know. Literally, if you eat food or have a job, he is reaching you.”

    You can find the article with these quotes here:
    http://www.prwatch.org/node/8168

    - Word StarUS June 8, 2009 4:32PM

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    • donnawatkins
      So?

      What does any of that prove? They are words of a disgruntled relative, why knows why?

      - donnawatkinsUS June 10, 2009 7:47AM

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      • Word Star
        Word Star

        It is the opinion of someone who is very close to the man. The son has inside information and a long standing knowledge of his father. One's children are often the best judges!

        - Word StarUS June 11, 2009 8:19AM

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        • donnawatkins
          So?

          The son disagrees with what his father does for a living. That is relevant- everyone is entitled to their opinion. The other stuff, regarding the son's assessment of his father's personality, is not. Who knows why he feels that way? It may have nothing to do with the CCF and everything do to with the fact that the son is still mad that he didn't get a convertible for his 16th birthday.

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  • TomMi
    Wouldn't let me expose Bruce Friederich

    So I don't expect to be allowed to comment here either.

    The HSUS is hurting a lot of people for the sake of animals , illegally.

    - TomMiUS June 9, 2009 9:35PM

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    • Word Star
      Pam

      If you have evidence that they are doing something illegal, then you have a moral obligation to report it to the proper authorities. If not, then you shouldn't accuse people of doing anything illegal.

      - Word StarUS June 11, 2009 8:20AM

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      • TomMi
        They already know

        Everyone has known what Friederich does for at least five years. It's all over the net. It is illegal to sponsor and encourage terrorism and Friederich has either done or been a party to both.

        - TomMiUS June 11, 2009 9:21AM

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  • ravensara
    HSUS as thieves

    Jumping on events to get $$, people opening their hearts, and then not giving it to animals just has no justification.

    Think of what 100 million a year would do for animals?

    There is no way to look at this but HSUS 'living off the backs of animals.' Adding JP Goodwin to the high paid staff from his Animal Liberation Front press office position and connections to domestic terrorists...this is a radical extremist agenda. Thieves and criminals...People deserve to know the truth.

    - ravensaraUS June 9, 2009 9:59PM

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  • AnimalRightsOrHumanResponsibility
    Yes ... Let's look over that last four years

    In my response from http://AR-HR.com, a site with no affiliation to CCF or Berman ....

    In a twist of irony, the HSUS publishes the article, “Counting the Ways” detailing its major accomplishments from 2006 to 2009 on the day after the AR-HR article, “Did the Humane Society (HSUS) Fail to Account for Political/Lobbying Activity of Personnel on IRS Tax Filings?” (See here for the HSUS original and here for the version modified after this article was released and reviewed by the HSUS)

    It is ironic because the HSUS is claiming four years of accomplishments that did not involve their volunteers, their employees or their executive according to the their tax records.


    In 2006, some of the HSUS major legislative and political accomplishments included:

    The HSUS led a successful Arizona Ballot Initiative against sow gestation crates and battled against a Michigan State Ballot Initiative regarding Mourning Dove Hunting, yet according to the tax records no HSUS volunteers, employees or executive worked on the campaign?
    The HSUS ”led the fight in Congress to achieve passage of the Pets Evacuation and Transportation Standards Act to ensure adequate planning for moving companion animals out of harm’s way” yet according to the tax records no HSUS volunteers, employees or executive worked on this endeavor?
    The HSUS “helped pass 69 new laws in state legislatures” and worked on a total of 73 legislative proposals, yet according to the tax records no HSUS volunteers, employees or executive worked on these campaigns?

    In 2007:

    The HSUS claimed credit for helping to pass a record 86 new laws at the state level, yet according to the tax records no HSUS volunteers, employees or executive worked on these campaigns?

    Now, keep in mind that in 2006, the Humane Society Legislative Fund (HSLF) spent a total of just over $3.3 million while spending just over $3.1 million in 2007. Also keep in mind that much of the HSUS executive sits on the HSLF board, but they only claim an involvement of 10 hours/week. That’s an average of less than $44,000 per project in 2006 and around $36,000 per project in 2007 without factoring any other associated budget items if one tries to claim all associated personnel costs are attributed to HSLF.

    In 2008:

    The HSUS claims credit for driving the passage of Proposition 2, a California ballot initiative and the anti-greyhound racing bill in Massachusetts. Will the HSUS tax records state yet again that no HSUS volunteers, employees or executive worked on these ballot initiatives? Proposition 2 was a campaign that opponents spent 10 million dollars arguing against for reasons proving to be accurate like increased cost to consumers and increases disease and injury in the birds?
    The HSUS claims credit for three significant provisions in the Federal Farm Bill. Will the HSUS tax records state yet again that no HSUS volunteers, employees or executive worked on this bill?
    The HSUS claims credit for a record 93 pro-animal state laws that were passed & 53 animal unfriendly laws that were defeated. Will the HSUS tax records state yet again that no HSUS volunteers, employees or executive worked on these campaigns?

    If a similar set of expenses is filed for 2008 for HSLF, $3.3 million, the HSLF attributable costs would drop to an average of under $23,000 per project.

    Its a good thing that the HSUS has started to pursue the religious community, because numbers like this for the HSLF are miraculous. Or dare I say mythical since I don’t share their religious view?

    Copyright 2009 by Erica Saunders http://AR-HR.com
    All rights reserved

    Please see the original article for links to all supporting references.

    - AnimalRightsOrHumanResponsibility June 9, 2009 10:04PM

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  • rmemazz
    Friends don't let Friends donate to HSUS

    Well, HSUS has a lot of big words & big outlandish claims to sway the opinion of the public into thinking they are dedicated to feeding & sheltering the POOR little animals in their advertisements. But less than 5% of the HSUS income [from donations, thought to go to the animals care] goes to helping animals & 96% goes to the management, wages, lifestyle & pimping their political cronies.

    If you want to read about it in their own IRS income tax 2005-6-7 forms: [You have to register with GuidStar to access the forms......wait for it to load, it is large.]


    It is really shameful the way the HSUS has been fraudulently presenting themselves as the Knight in Shining Armor for the Animals when in truth they are really using those donations to feather-their-own beds & those of their political bed-fellows.

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  • luvsanimals
    HSUS Answer This

    Do all of HSUS's accomplishments truly give them the right to select a known sociopathic animal abuser/killer/torturer to represent HSUS in any way, shape or form? I would not want a rapist to speak out against rape or a murderer to speak out against murder and I doubt many people would.

    No one wants to see Michael Vick as a spokesperson against dog fighting. Most people would prefer to see him still behid bars under intense psychological evaluation as he is a sociopath. Many feel he has not paid enough or suffered enough for his sick disgusting actions.

    - luvsanimalsUS June 10, 2009 12:14AM

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  • realistic
    how about no-kill?

    HSUS states that they are here for the animals . But when it comes to Pit Bulls, there are to kill them. That was their answer to the Micheal Vick dogs, that is what they wanted for them. But Vick dogs were saved by a Pit Bull Rescue who has managed to rehabilitate the majority and place them into loving homes. The next time there was a big Pit Bull fighting dog seizure did HSUS learn from the Vick case? No, they wanted to kill those dogs also.
    There is a man by the name of Nathon Winogard(?) who is pushing for the "no kill" solution. He has written a book on it, successfully taught it to different cities and towns and has every reason to believe in the possibility of saving the animals in today's shelters now if he can reach those who run those shelters and teach the no-kill way. Now, wouldn't you think that this is something that HSUS would be interested in, if they were really here for animals? So why aren't they? Why aren't they striving to learn how to stop the killing, now? Is it possible that a true no-kill philosophy would get in the way of their real goal which has more to do with stopping good and legitimate animal interaction with humans than it does in actually saving animals? I am hopeful that soon the majority of people will join the no-kill bandwagon and end the killing asap.

    - realisticUS June 10, 2009 12:31AM

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  • TomMi
    HSUS and terrorism and everything

    You know very well that the HSUS believes in the use of terrorism when it gives cushy jobs to known terrorists. Terrorism is what put animal rights on the map. The whole idea would have faded into obscurity a long time ago if the sect had not been violent.

    If you look at their stated agenda up there, it is not a humane agenda. It is an animal rights agenda. It is also an anti-human agenda.

    - TomMiUS June 10, 2009 12:44AM

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  • donnawatkins
    HSUS

    I find it very difficult to believe HSUS when they say they are not anti-animal interactions between people and animals . Their CEO doesn't even own a pet. I find that very telling.

    - donnawatkinsUS June 10, 2009 7:48AM

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  • tlbtrl
    H$U$ lies

    H$U$ is constantly vilifying CCF but at least CCF admits who they are and what they stand for, unlike H$U$ who have to depend on lies to scam people for money that they would not donate if they knew the real agenda. The way these Animal Radicals have managed to pull the wool over JQP's eyes for so long is a crime , not to mention the lobbying that they are not supposed to be involved in with 501(c)3 status.

    I am an animal lover, I am not "people who inhabit the domains of cockfighting, puppy mills, horse slaughter, trophy hunting, trapping, fur fashion, animal agribusiness, commercial whaling, and other animal exploitation industries" and yet I still know H$U$ for what it is and will spread the word to whomever will listen.

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  • TomMi
    Agribusiness = Dog Fighting?

    Pacelle lumps agribusiness in with dogfighting up there. Following their actions it's easy to see that by "factory farms" they mean all agribusiness and all animal use. A worse nightmare than their threats to destroy all agribusiness is their control of agribusiness, in which a lot of the money that you pay for food goes into their pockets.

    Prohibitions have made dogfighting much more violent and bloody. They've forced the exotics trade underground, which hurts the animals . They've increased shelter euthanasia and the bullying by animal control officers with the mandatory spay/neuter laws. They got a lot of "rescued" dogs killed to satisfy who knows what unnatural appetites. They have also pushed for pet limit laws which reduce the number of homes for animals.

    We're better off having everything that they would prohibit than having the HSUS attempt to do anything. Both horse slaughter and shelter euthanasia make room for purpose-bred animals and no one has the right to inflict the suffering that they have on horse and dog owners, for the sake of the animals or anything else. What they are doing is a punishment for owning animals, period.

    The best thing to do is to keep hitting the HSUS with the truth, every opportunity that you can make, so that people stop feeding them money. Also, a legal fund needs to be set up to get reparations for their victims.

    - TomMiUS June 10, 2009 8:56AM

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    • skippy
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      Horse slaughter has hurt the horse industry. If you live in Oklahoma or Texas then you know how terrible it has been. The killers would drive up and down country roads lying to 12 year old girls to get a hold of there old ponies. The killer "Stole" every old horse they could find. The horse industry suffered because with out the older horses they could not bring in new people. Now all of you who have never been on a horse have no room to talk. Horses are animals of flight. One boogy shows up and the horse flies sideways. The older the horse the more stable he becomes. When horse slaughter was here the price for a 16 year old gelding was $2,500 and the wait time was two years. I'm also against the HSUS. And yes you can hate animal and human abuse and still hate the HSUS.

      - skippyUS June 10, 2009 9:57AM

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      • forfairplay
        to skippy/horse slaughter

        skippy...I've seen your story before. When you sell animals ..any animals, it is YOUR responsibility to check out who you are selling to. If you didn't want that horse to go to slaughter, it was up to you to make sure who you were selling to. Just for the record, just because someone buys horses for slaughter doesn't mean all they buy go there. BEFORE slaughter was banned, many 'kill buyers' also bought good riding horses for resale in areas where they knew they could profit. They also bought good, older riding horses and donated them to camps for handicapped kids as tax write-offs. Banning slaughter has hurt the horse market tremendously. Do you know how sad it is to now see good riding horses who now have little market value now that old, crippled, and others with no good value of life have anywhere to go? Do you know how sad it is that so many BLM mustangs now have to be euthanized to thin herds instead of being adopted as they were before slaughter was banned? Do you know how sad it is that even rescues are now being raided because they tried to take in more unwanted horses than they were able to care for? They were rescued from slaughter for what? So they could be starved to death for lack of funds to feed them in rescue? Do you know how many jobs were lost due to the short-sided views of slaughter? Banning slaughter has done nothing good for horses, humans, or the economy . I love horses, I always have, but I love them enough to admit that banning slaughter has devalued their lives. While many view them as pets , they are livestock and used to be a valued part of the food chain that went to feed large zoo/circus animals, people in other countries, and even our pets in our homes. Their lives weren't wasted in slaughter. They were used and had market value. Hard as it is for some to understand, market value determines the worth of livestock, whether it be for a family pet, a working entity, or food. Little to nothing is wasted on a slaughter animal. NOW, otherwise healthy animals are being euthanized and wasted because they have no market value. In a time of recession such we are now going through, people can't afford high euthanasia rates, burial or cremation rates of large animals, or feed to keep them alive. Many are being turned loose or starving to death because of these things. Like it or not, all animals are part of the food chain. It's a fact of life. Banning slaughter has done nothing to help animals in any way. Again, YOU make the choice. You either sell to someone you are absolutely sure will care for your horse the way you want or you keep it. Once you sold the horse (or whoever sold the one in your story) you forfeited the right to say where that animal went and what was done with it. Your objections should have been raised BEFORE money exchanged hands and AFTER you checked out the person you sold to. If you didn't do that, then you have no reason to complain. There are lots of liars in this world. HSUS is full to the brim with them!

        - forfairplay June 10, 2009 10:53AM

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        • Word Star
          Facts of life?

          "Like it or not, all animals are part of the food chain. It's a fact of life."

          Just because they are currently part of the food chain, doesn't mean that they SHOULD be. People need to rethink the moral issues surrounding livestock production:

          * U.N. scientists have determined that raising animals for food generates more greenhouse-gas emissions than all the cars, SUVs, trucks, and planes in the world combined.

          * Researchers at the University of Chicago determined that switching to a vegan diet is more effective in countering climate change than switching from a standard car to a Toyota Prius.

          * According to Environmental Defense, if every American substituted vegetarian foods for chicken at just one meal per week, the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than a half-million cars off U.S. roads.



          - Word StarUS June 11, 2009 8:28AM

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          • donnawatkins
            Facts of life?

            All that proves is that ways of raising animals for food could/should be made more environmentally friendly. Not that animals should not be part of the food chain..

            Just out of curiosity, if livestock was raised according to every standard you considered appropriate, would you think people eating meat was OK?

            - donnawatkinsUS June 11, 2009 9:18AM

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          • forfairplay
            Facts of life

            Farmers are also now learning to capture and utilize the methane gas released by farm animals to power their entire farms and protect the environment .
            You can go to the postbulletin.com and look up the article 'Breakfast at the farm draws crowd of 500" published June 1, 2009 to read more about it and watch the video.
            Some people are so hell-bent to prove that farmer's are destroying our environment and abusing animals that you never take the time to see that you are wrong.
            Our farmers/ranchers work on ways all the time to improve methods that will help themselves, the animals and the environment, but are being constantly hampered and harangued by activists who know nothing about what it takes to feed an entire country.
            Maybe instead of working against the entire animal industry for the stupidity of a few abusers (and they ARE few in the entire number of those who have dedicated generations to farming/ranching) you need to work with and support the people who keep you fed with meat AND vegetables. If we lose these people, we don't eat! No farmers or ranchers = no food .
            Suburban spread is forcing these people into smaller and smaller areas to feed an entire country and some have nothing better to do with their city-bred lives, and no clues about animal husbandry, than to try to kill off our food supply for some type of Utopia that exists only in their minds.

            - forfairplay June 11, 2009 9:40AM

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          • Zoooom
            Quack Vegan Science Facts

            And have these same U.N. scientists and U of C researchers ever gave any thought to the effects of an entire society based on a total vegan diet /culture? Do they realize the amount of land that would be needed to be raped/pillaged/destroyed to sustain an entire country (or world) on a vegan diet? All those poor poor animals displaced and/or killed as their habitat is taken away for vast fields *gag* soybeans...and the rest of the 'rabbit diet' they live off of. Not to mention the TONS of pesticides and herbicides and fertilizers needed to sustain those crops...and MORE killing off of other living creatures in the process. And all the farm equipment required to make this possible? Global warming (what a farce)? That ain't nothing compared to the giant dust bowl this world would become under a worldwide vegan lifestyle...can you say human extinction? Gawd, vegans are blind in their way of thinking sometimes. I'll take a steak please...medium rare!!

            - Zoooom June 11, 2009 10:49PM

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        • skippy
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          I did not say that it was me who sold a horse. The problem was widespread in Oklahoma and Texas. The horses were not being sold they were given away. You think the kill buyers have enough knowledge or experience to tell a kid horse from a piece of meat ? Do you think the killers know the difference between a bowed tendon and a pulled muscle? Do the killers know that a mare is not a safe mount for a 4 year old. Do you know that new comers in the horse industry could not find safe horses for there 10 year olds during US horse slaughter. If you think every horse with injury should be killed and ate then go to www.rerun.com and cry in there manure.

          - skippyUS June 11, 2009 2:24PM

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      • TomMi
        So?

        A lot of animal control officers lie to get animals away from people. The HSUS lies to get local sheriffs to allow them to take animals away. Wayne Pacelle is known to be complicit in the sale of animals from Black Beauty Ranch to the slaughterers. By your logic the HSUS should definitely be shut down.

        The availability of horse slaughter sets a floor price for a horse that can't otherwise be sold. Horses are also a safe supply of good meat protein for humans, and with a population safety valve like that, breeders are more free to breed and don't have to burden themselves with unfit horses. The ban on horse slaughter for food is nothing but sabotage of the horse industry.

        It is wrong to paint the people who supply our food as villains. Certainly they're in it for the money . They earn it. The farmers need that money too because even though many farmers keep horses largely out of the goodness of their hearts, when they can't afford it they can't afford it. And then sometimes so-called animal welfare people come after them when they can't spend thousands of dollars in vet bills on old horses.

        As Forfairplay mentions, a lot of jobs have been lost. The bans on greyhound racing that the HSUS lied to put in place have cost thousands of jobs and we can't afford thousands of jobs. Each of those jobs was involved in maintaining healthy populations of non-human animals. They were also not paying fealty to the HSUS, because the HSUS deserves none and they weren't being forced to.

        Selling an animal means that you have given over all control of that animal to someone else and one does not have the right to control what happens to property after it is sold. If Trigger is slaughtered and eaten, too bad. That's just the way it works.

        - TomMiUS June 10, 2009 3:28PM

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  • forfairplay
    HSUS relies on deceit

    I think the HSUS mistakes disgust for their lies to gain power and money for their sociopathic agenda with fear. Saying their opposition fears them is more likely their own fear showing through. Fear that more and more people are learning the truth of their agenda to divide humans and animals permanently. Fear that once the truth is shown that they will lose donations from people who don't share their animal/human separation sociopathy. Fear that at some point in the near future, the FACTS that are surfacing little by little are going to turn the tide and remove them from the self-imposed pedestal they have put themselves on, under the guise of helping animals to gain power and money..which is what drives them. Why should anyone trust a man (Pacelle and his ilk) to know what is best for animals who he "feels no bond to", who he" would envision never seeing another dog or cat born", who feels any domestic animal is no more than "the product of human manipulation"? In fact that last quote shows his lack of love for his own species. If anyone understands manipulation, it's Pacelle and his cronies. If you look past his facade, he, like PETA's Ingrid Newkirk, has no love of humans. He and his group show it every day when they push for laws that trample basic rights of American citizens. How can any right-minded person believe in a a group(s) who feel we don't deserve our right to be innocent until PROVEN guilty, who want to allow warrantless seizure of property with no chance at due process? They want this because they KNOW that a hefty percentage of raids they orchestrate would be proven fraudulent if those raided were allowed due process. In fact more and more of those who have filed civil suits AFTER their animals were bullied from them by HSUS "under color of law " HAVE been acquitted of all charges. Unfortunately it was too late for the dogs/cats and other pets who were euthanized before the owners could prove their innocence. The animals who aren't killed in these raids will be the ones legislated out of existence if the HSUS has their way. Either way their goal will be reached. The animals will be gone.
    It doesn't matter who brought the facts to the Atlanta station who had the guts to try to expose HSUS for what they are. The facts are still the facts. HSUS showed their fear by bullying a small tv station who dared to present the facts. Yes..it is HSUS who is in fear..fear of the truth about them being exposed. They may continue to bluster and try to stop the process, but sooner or later the truth always has a way of surfacing and takes out those who have their foundation built in sand..those grains of sand called lies and deceit.

    - forfairplay June 10, 2009 9:44AM

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    • Word Star
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      If you are really interested in groups who gain money and power illegitimately then you should see this:

      http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom

      - Word StarUS June 11, 2009 8:16AM

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      • forfairplay
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        I already know who the CCF is. THEY are not the ones lying to the public to remove animals from our lives..that is solely the mission of the AR Industry. I may not agree with everything the CCF does or stands for, but I've never seen them post anything untrue about the HSUS, PETA or any other fanatical group who want no human/animal contact.
        Whatever else CCF may or may not be, they are a good source of FACTS about the HSUS and the animal rights industry and their agenda.

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  • Dixie Bitch
    Yeah Right

    The H$U$ is at it again. Blaming others for not being nice to them. The "others" are just about anyone who does not toe the Vegan line. I am so very sorry but I LIKE MEAT!
    H$U$ has stated that Consumer Freedom and their ilk (folks who don't beleive the way the vegans do) are just a front for the fast food folks. Not even.
    The H$U$ says they spent 34 million plus on the animals for Katrina, ummm 'scuse me where was that listed on your IRS forms. Honey, I am from Missouri so I say "SHOW ME". I have looked at those forms and it is not there. They may have topped out at 7 Million but that would be stretching it.(a lot)
    I love the fact that the H$U$ says go to our website and see how good we are. Excuse me, is that not tatamont to the fox guarding the hen house? Will not the fox say whatever the hens and the farmers want him to say to steal them blind.
    I am by no means stating that H$U$ is a bunch of theives, not me, however I am saying that the H$U$ is misleading millions of folks by their slick ads and miss leading name. Why not call it what it is? The Society to End our USE and Enjoyment of all animals.
    The H$U$ "expert" on dogfighting is JP Goodwin aka John P.Goodwin aka John Paul Goodwin who was the head of the Animal Liberation Front when he was beginning to work for the H$U$. JP has stated that "if anyone dies in a fire set by arsonists to protest "animal abuse and exploitation" then they will just be collateral damage.
    Let's see, would that be like the children who are hoping for a cure for HIV /AIDs would be collateral damage if it were not for medical research to end HIV?
    How can an orginization that pretends to be for animal welfare want to stop all animal agriculture? Oh, would that make the children that starve to death because the price of eggs quadrupled under the "no cage law " collateral damages?
    I like children and I do everything I can to help not only them but the animals I come across. Do I eat meat , yes, and salads too. Does it bother me to raise an animal for food, absolutely not. That is why humans are at the top of the food chain. We HUMANELY kill our animals before we eat them.
    Wayne P. states that we want them to give money to shelters, H**L yes we do. It would save millions of animals every year. But no, H$U$ wants to spend their millions to stop the breeding of all those unnessacery animals. I am sorry, but I do not feel animals are unnessacery; they give us love and devotion. You have not had a good day until you are going home from work and the puppy in the front seat licks you because it loves you. Makes the day much nicer.
    If we allow Mandatory Spay and Neuter laws to be enacted across America, where will our next puppy come from? The shelter? Ummm if there is mandatory S/N then where will the shelter get its dogs? Don't get the wrong idea, I have no problem with S/N IF IT IS YOUR CHOICE! That is what America was based on CHOICE/FREEDOM.
    H$U$ staff and fanatics truly beleive that by making it illegal to breed even one litter then all dogs will go away, they have added cats to that also, what is next? In one city they made it illegal to breed any animal. Now if the mouse that lives in my house decides to raise a family, am I a criminal? Under that law I would be.
    I could go on all day but this is redundant, H$U$ when your house is clean, you can talk about mine. Until then, leave animal lovers alone, there are a lot more of us than there are of you.

    - Dixie BitchUS June 10, 2009 11:09AM

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      Dixie Bitch said: "I am so very sorry but I LIKE MEAT!"

      I am so very sorry Dixie, but liking something is not a good enough reason for doing it. Arsonists like starting fires and bank robbers like robbing banks...but that doesn't mean that these people are justified in doing these things. In the same way, "LIKING MEAT" is not a good enough reason to torture animals .



      - Word StarUS June 11, 2009 8:10AM

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      • donnawatkins
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        With one big crucial difference. Eating meat is not illegal. Robbing banks and arson are. Until meat is made illegal.i.e. never, Dixie Bitch is well within her rights to like meat. And you are well within yours to disapprove of her.

        - donnawatkinsUS June 11, 2009 9:16AM

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  • Word Star
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    When animal advocates maintain that animals matter in their own right, that amounts to acknowledging the possibility that something could be beneficial to us, but still morally dubious. There may be advantages we're not entitled to or that it would be wrong for us to seek out and pursue. If so, there may be hard questions about what we must be prepared to give up.

    - Word StarUS June 11, 2009 8:30AM

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    • Dixie Bitch
      Response

      When one group of citizens tries to force their beleifs on all the other citizens that is called tyranny. Here in America there are more NON vegitarians than there are vegitarians. Therefore the attempt by the radical vegan/vegitarians to force their way of life on the majority omnivore society is in fact tyranny.
      To accuse someone of torturing animals because they eat meat is tatamont to saying that if you drive a red car you are a murderer because someone driving a red car killed an innocent child.
      That my dear is called fanaticism. Check out the Bible, God gave us the right and authority to eat meat. Not only that God gave us dominion over animals. Not to torture , but to take care of. Slaughtering for meat is not torture. That is just your perseption. Why should your perseption and beleifs be forced on all the rest? America was founded on Freedom. That means we are free to beleive what we will. If you are bothered by that my best suggestion is find an island where you can be the tyranical head and force your beliefs on like minded individuals.

      - Dixie BitchUS June 11, 2009 10:04AM

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    • TomMi
      Why?

      This adds up to letting the worst elements of our society dictate morality.

      - TomMiUS June 12, 2009 2:37AM

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