WASHINGTON (BP) --- President Obama Monday named June as "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Month" issuing a proclamation that goes even further than those of former President Clinton in its pro-
homosexuality slant.
Clinton was the last president to issue such a proclamation, first doing so in 1999 and then in 2000 before he left office. Obama's 572-word proclamation calls for ending the
military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy -- which was put in place under Clinton -- and also includes the phrase "transgender" for a first time. Clinton's proclamations never referenced transgenderism, a category that includes cross-dressers and people undergoing sex change operations. Another first: Obama's proclamation reiterates his support for same-sex civil union laws.
President George W. Bush never issued a proclamation commemorating Gay Pride Month. Clinton's proclamations differed from Obama's in calling June "Gay and Lesbian Pride Month," leaving out "bisexual" and "transgender."
"The LGBT rights movement has achieved great progress, but there is more work to be done," Obama's proclamation reads. "During LGBT Pride Month, I call upon the LGBT community, the Congress, and the American people to work together to promote equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month."
The proclamation is posted on the White House website but is difficult to find and as of Tuesday afternoon was not listed under the website's category of proclamations -- a fact that some homosexual activists were criticizing. (The link is available at the end of this story.)
Evangelicals voiced strong disagreement with Obama's proclamation, much like they did in 1999 when Clinton issued his proclamation and Southern Baptist Convention messengers responded by passing a resolution rebuking Clinton for doing so.
"For a president who pledged to bring us together, Mr. Obama persists in doing the exact opposite on all things homosexual," Bob Stith, the Southern Baptist national strategist for gender issues and representative of the denomination's Task Force on Ministry to Homosexuals, told Baptist Press. "This issue for most evangelical Christians is not bias or prejudice. It is simply maintaining the freedom to speak the truth about Scripture. It is one thing to be loving and tolerant. It is something else altogether to encourage pride in what God clearly says is sin.
"The bottom line," Stith added, "is that if God defines something as sin, we do no one any favors by attempting to blur those lines. Nor will we be doing future generations any favors by obliterating barriers God has put up for our protection. On several occasions the Bible uses the phrase 'every man did that which was right in his own eyes.' In every case it turned out badly."
Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, criticized Obama for once again calling for the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," which prevents homosexuals from serving openly in the military.
"This, according to people in the military, would have catastrophic consequences for our nation in a time of war," Land told BP.
"Some surveys of military personnel indicate that perhaps as high as 10 percent of the all-volunteer forces will resign from the military if 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' is rescinded," he said, quoting a December Military Times poll. "And it would hit heaviest in the non-commissioned officer ranks -- the sergeants and the chiefs and the people who make it go at the operational level. It would seriously impact our military's ability to do the job that we've asked them to do in keeping us safe."
The homosexual community traditionally has called June "Gay Pride Month" to commemorate the 1969 Stonewall Inn riots, which took place in New York City and are viewed as helping launch the modern "gay rights" movement. In his proclamation Obama says he is proud to be the first president to "appoint openly LGBT candidates to Senate-confirmed positions in the
first 100 days of an administration." He also calls for passage of a
hate crimes bill and for "ensuring
adoption rights" for homosexuals.
Noting the stark contrast between the previous administration and the current administration, Land said, "Elections have consequences." Underscoring how far the "gay rights community" has come in less than two decades, Land recalled how he and other religious leaders met with former President George H.W. Bush and complained about Bush becoming the first president to invite representatives of homosexual organizations to the White House. "We've come a long way," Land said, emphasizing it has not been for the better.
"Those of us who believe in the continuing truth of God's revealed Word in Scripture," Land said, "would not consider the distance traveled between the issue in our meeting with President George H.W. Bush and President Obama's proclamation as progress, but a further sign of the moral and spiritual deterioration of our culture."
Said Stith: "God has not just issued a laundry list of arbitrary rules for His creation. He has made it clear that He desires for us to experience His joy and peace. As the creator He also understands what will make that possible -- and what will impede His plan for us. Clearly the true loving thing to do is to hold up God's standard and encourage all people to strive for that. To declare pride in anything that God says is sin is not love. It is no different than removing a sign that says 'Road closed. Bridge out.'"
Following is the full text of Obama's proclamation:
"Forty years ago, patrons and supporters of the Stonewall Inn in New York City resisted police harassment that had become all too common for members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community. Out of this resistance, the LGBT rights movement in America was born. During LGBT Pride Month, we commemorate the events of June 1969 and commit to achieving equal justice under law for LGBT Americans.
"LGBT Americans have made, and continue to make, great and lasting contributions that continue to strengthen the fabric of American society. There are many well-respected LGBT leaders in all professional fields, including the arts and business communities. LGBT Americans also mobilized the Nation to respond to the domestic HIV/AIDS epidemic and have played a vital role in broadening this country's response to the HIV pandemic.
"Due in no small part to the determination and dedication of the LGBT rights movement, more LGBT Americans are living their lives openly today than ever before. I am proud to be the first President to appoint openly LGBT candidates to Senate-confirmed positions in the first 100 days of an Administration. These individuals embody the best qualities we seek in public servants, and across my Administration -- in both the White House and the Federal agencies -- openly LGBT employees are doing their jobs with distinction and professionalism.
"The LGBT rights movement has achieved great progress, but there is more work to be done. LGBT youth should feel safe to learn without the fear of harassment, and LGBT families and seniors should be allowed to live their lives with dignity and respect.
"My Administration has partnered with the LGBT community to advance a wide range of initiatives. At the international level, I have joined efforts at the United Nations to decriminalize homosexuality around the world. Here at home, I continue to support measures to bring the full spectrum of equal rights to LGBT Americans. These measures include enhancing hate crimes laws, supporting civil unions and Federal rights for LGBT couples, outlawing discrimination in the workplace, ensuring adoption rights, and ending the existing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy in a way that strengthens our Armed Forces and our national security. We must also commit ourselves to fighting the HIV/AIDS epidemic by both reducing the number of HIV infections and providing care and support services to people living with HIV/AIDS across the United States.
"These issues affect not only the LGBT community, but also our entire Nation. As long as the promise of equality for all remains unfulfilled, all Americans are affected. If we can work together to advance the principles upon which our Nation was founded, every American will benefit. During LGBT Pride Month, I call upon the LGBT community, the Congress, and the American people to work together to promote equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.
"NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month. I call upon the people of the United States to turn back discrimination and prejudice everywhere it exists.
"IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of June, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-third."
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Here's what I don't get
If so many Christians are so opposed to a secular society , why isn't there a Christian alternative for them to create? Some sort of Jesus-like Afghanistan, where religious theocracy rules over all.
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June 3, 2009 1:40PM
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If only...
That sounds like a brilliant solution. The conservatives could then stop pandering to these people, we could actually get stuff done, and have a free society . We could have another one for radical liberals who want to subvert the Constition for Marxist/Leninist purposes. We could have a Jesus Afghanistan and an Obama Russia. Unfortunately, the Civil War has established that the People are not allowed to secede from the Union, and the FBI now classifies secessionist movements as domestic terrorists. Glad we agree the the People SHOULD have the right to secede and form a seperate nation if they so choose. It's a good start towards restoring Liberty.
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June 3, 2009 4:12PM
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Cancer
Hey, I love pluriformity and whatnot, but the US has a cancer problem - you have a minority that has a markedly different value system than the majority, and is willing to do anything to enforce their values over the rest.
This problem has become irreconcilable, and my estimate is that (say) something like unemployment figures over 25% would constitute a civil war.
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June 4, 2009 4:53AM
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Okay...
I'm unclear as to how you think that gay marriage would lead to unemployment figures over 25%. Also, how it would lead to a civil war. Americans will not start a war over the definition of marriage, no matter how much they support it.
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June 4, 2009 9:57AM
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Hostility
No matter what happens there will always be hostility towards gays.For example if gay marriage was made legal people of faith (not just Christians) would be angry and hostile (if not more) to the gay community. Or if gay marriage stay's as it is gay's will continue to be resentful and hostile to people of faith the one's "holding them back". Now a all out civil war, I doubt it. But I don't doubt riot's, killings, and fights. I myself don't support the gay community but I won't bring violence into it because violence within our own Country is something that only tear's us apart.
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August 12, 2009 11:56AM
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WHY
would they be hostile?
Anger is, I think you'll agree, a fair reaction to being a second class citizen, to not having the same rights and abilities as other citizens based on circumstances of birth.
Anger preventing this equalization in rights is understandable--people who benefit from the status quo like to keep the status quo--but it's certainly not fair.
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September 1, 2009 12:05PM
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I don't
I don't see how someone benefits from this.
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September 26, 2009 9:25PM
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People who don't like gay people
like to be able to say so. That's what's being protected--their right to be homophobic. That's why the rationale they give for disallowing same sex marriage , hell, for any of those bills protecting gays and lesbians like it would protect race or religion , is "It's a violation of the first amendment ! It violates my right to religious expression and free expression."
They want to be able to tell people they hate gays. They want to be able to tell people that it's a sin, that it's disgusting, that it's unnatural, that it's unhealthy. They want their right to hatred protected, and so far, they're getting their way.
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September 27, 2009 10:26AM
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Thank You
Thank you Khannea for speaking the exact level of conjecture that is possible. Let's put this in a logic table:
Gay = A person who likes another of the same sex
Unemployment = people without jobs
Therefore, Gay people will cause 25% unemployment .
Makes PERFECT sense. Actually, in my experience, gay people are generally more educated, more respectful and sensitive, and generally MORE employed than their heterosexual counterparts. I love it, man loves man therefore unemployed. AMAZING.
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August 2, 2009 11:06PM
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No you silly people
The political spectrum in the US is marred by extremes on both sides - and the extreme I am worried about is the extreme that denies homosexuality as a natural tendenc - you know, the antiabortionists, the dlimate change deniers, those who claim "we'll always have oil ', the people going all anxious about obama , the people who demonize socialism - the "wingnut" minority is irreconcilable "dolchtossists" and will not, ever compromize.
That is a political cancer .
Right now this is a manageable situation. The citizens (wingnut or not) of the US tolerate any endemic injustices that riddle US society. Most people accept the corrosive contagion the right imposes over the political system. Wingnuts "tolerate" having to live in a society that is becoming markedly more liberal every year.
This exists in a state of stability *FOR AS LONG AS* there is wealth to go around. But that will change very soon - no more wealth, no more tolerance, on either side. The first change to come to the US will be markedly higher unemployment than the 'mere' current 10%. The draconic, ruthless fundaments of US society will come home to roost. Increase unemployment over 20% and this means - civil war.
Thats a different message isn't it?
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August 4, 2009 10:42AM
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Equality; Freedom
The folling two quotations give great reason as to why FREEDOM... and by freedom I mean in its entirety... is vital to humanity. I believe that they provide excellent reference to this article and in supporting equal rights and FREEDOM for everyone. No matter.
"The freedom of all is essential to my freedom.” ---Mikhail Bakunin
“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” ---Benjamin Franklin
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June 3, 2009 1:59PM
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Define Freedom in its entirety
And Freedom for everyone
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June 3, 2009 4:33PM
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As yo u know I rarely say anything controversial..haha
OBAMA stands for:
One Bad Ass Mistake America!
He sounds good, he looks pretty, and so did satan.
- Hope7
June 4, 2009 12:58PM
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Sympathy for the devil
When did Satan sound good and look pretty?
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If someone thinks Satan is pretty
Does that make them a satanosexual? Or a Deviphile?
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June 17, 2009 3:47PM
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Civil society v. the state
When the state decrees secular civic traditions, ceremonies and observances that offend the sentiments of the sectarian elements of civil society , the state provokes conflict with them. Further, such conflicts create a divide between the sectarian and secular elements of civil society, with the state presiding exclusively over the secular elements while the state and church both preside over the sectarian elements.
This is an uneasy state of affairs, for it is impossible to separate either the state or the church or both from civil society, and therefore it is impossible for the state to create a public space in civil society that is free from the church without oppressing it. But this is precisely what the secular progressives are trying to do based on the notion that the church and state must be kept separate while ignoring the fact that the state can't be kept out of the public square any more than the church can. Unless the state entirely annexes civil society, that is, which I fear is the secular progressives' ultimate goal. Why else would they be trying to weaken civil society's central institutions, i.e. marriage and the family?
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Equal Rights
I applaud Obama for his gay pride. But if you want to treat everyone equally, then take an open stance for all things controversial. For example, I hated the movie Dark Knight. There are a small minority of us who can't comment on film sites like Rotten Tomatoes and we are persecuted for our beliefs. The DKHA (Dark Knight Haters of America) can't openly bash a horrible movie. Where is our statement from Obama?
As you can see, this debate merits no debate. People deserve equal rights, this country is not a Christian state, it was founded by people who wanted nothing other than complete freedom. I find it hilarious that the religious right is the first to persecute and declare something a sin, when that is exactly the attitude that their superhero Jesus denounced and called sinful. Only the righteous hold a place in hell and only God chooses who gets into heaven. Let your God decide. Thank God he made me atheist.
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Gay Pride Month uproar
The gay people of the United States are "created equal" according the constitution . We pay taxes just like all the rest of the people. If you dont like a gay pride event, stay at home!
You know, I just can't understand why the Christians are so determined to beat down the gay community when there are so many issues such as child abuse, spousal abuse and many others that are so ignored. Is this just the easiest group you can protest?
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June 17, 2009 3:31PM
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The basis of all homophobic argument
Is that, if you dilute it down to it's very basic essence, apart from hypocritical religious stances, bad scientific beliefs, and crazy anecdotal evidence, is that deep down, it makes some people feel icky. They just...don't like it.
Which is fine. No one's asked them to like it. No one's ever asked them to stop feeling icky.
But we can't outlaw things that make people feel icky.
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easier
But it would be so much easier if we just outlawed things that I feel are icky ;)
Once we allow an emotional response (such as thinking that something is icky) to determine public policy, rather then logic or reason, we will have turned our back on a vital part of our civilization.
Remember... there is no "Right to not be offended"
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I find
open heart surgery pretty gross. Let's make that illegal.
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Get what you ask for
I don't see Christians out in the street picketing gay pride in my area. I completely understand the Christian viewpoint. Their belief is based on writings that are a few thousand years old, these writings haven't changed so why do we expect Christians to change?
If we ask a Christian for their opinion on homosexuality , they're going to tell us what their opinion is, if we don't like it then we should stop asking. Ask someone in Uganda and they may respond with a machete. I'd much rather have a Christian tell me that they love me, even though my lifestyle is an abomination, than be skinned alive.
Do we need to ask a mathematicion for his opinion on whether the quadratic equation is going to give us 2 or 3 distinct roots? Do we really need to ask ANY religion what their writings say on homosexuality?
In a society that thrives on drama, I think people intentionally ask for opinions that will create more drama. But then I find myself contributing to further drama with this post. . . such a hypocrite.
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June 25, 2009 3:02PM
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Who asked a question?
Maybe I have just not been paying attention, but who asked for an opinion from the Christians? And what in the world does Uganda have to do with Pride celebrations in the US? I must not be paying attention. And if you haven't seen a protest to pride where you are, you are either missing something or you live in an advanced area.
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June 25, 2009 3:55PM
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the new
Baptist Press solicited for opinions.
What Uganda has to do with the US was an attempt at a glass half full. Things aren't as bad as they might seem.
I live in Portland, OR and there are gay pride marches frequently. I have yet to see a protest.
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Thank you for that info.....
I would love to see that & be able to read that article.....where is it?
I guess I still think that pride celebrations here and a comparison to Uganda is a little stupid. The fact of the matter is that Matthew Shepard's murder proves that there are people here that are just as barbaric.
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With you
I agree with you completely.
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Understand
You must understand that as a person of faith they can't understand your side. Which is understandable because the gay community can't understand the religious aspect. There are many issues that are taken up besides being gay. But believe it or not homosexuality is the biggest of them all. That's why you hear about religions against the gay community so much. I myself take a stand on many other issues besides opposing homosexuality.
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I would like someone to answer a couple
of questions that I have asked several of these extreme religious groups and no one ever answers. I sent an email to the Illinois Family Institue in earnest to explain a couple of things. True questions, no sarcasm, just w=questions. I have yet to hear an answer. So that leads me to wonder why.
And I wish I could express this in short measure but I can't, so please be patient I am sincere in my questions and thoughts.
I read your post and I can see what you say to a point. I grew up in the south in strict Baptist churches, I married in to The Church of God of Prophecy, a very strict Bible based church . So I know all the reasons for the religious groups to stand on. That understood, I also am a gay man at 60 years old. I lived a life of lies for a long time, I did everything for the wrong reasons, because I was expected to or because I was afraid of the backlash of being who I really was inside.
I said all of this to pose my questions.
1st Why is homosexualty the greatest threat to marriage ? The straight community have no respect for the vows they take. They ignore their vows before God and walk in and out of marriage like changing clothes. They are examples for their children that marriage is like buying a house, its a legal thing and they can sell their marriage like people move from one house to another. That to me is the threat to marriage.
2nd I have been around for along time, I have lived in Hawaii, San Francisco area, Atlanta, and I have yet to hear anyone in the gay community talk about a gay agenda. So, what is and where is this agenda?
3rd If these churches or groups really want to make an impression on any group they need to live what they preach. If you want to read an article that best approaches what the Christian view should be, read:
http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-what-church-leaders-should-know-about-homosexuality
That is the only article I have read that takes a stance that I think is an example of Christian love. And LOVE is the answer. You can't BEAT Christianity into anyone. So all that hateful attitude that is displayed is not a Christian attitude.
I have never heard of the gay community trying to recruit or persuade anyone into that life. Either you are or aren't.
And the conversation about how people chose to be gay is not true. I knew from a very early age that I was not interested in the opposite sex. And I spent a lot of time and prayer trying to be "normal"! What was normal for me was not being with a woman. As much as men share enthusiasm for sports , naturally, I have found that I am just as "in tune" with my peers as that. There is no training or education , it is what you are.
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Ok
1. Why is it a threat to marriage ? Well because it goes against what the bible says. BUT your right so does divorce and adultery. Most people tend to put this on the back burner because sometimes you marry the wrong person and you get a divorce. But to neglect adultery is just stupidity. That is just as much against marriage as homosexuality .
2. Gay Agenda? I don't recall mentioning the gay community with an agenda. No they protest but it's not like an agenda.
3. Your right. We can't choke our belief's down your throat and force you to convert. People will continue to remain gay regardless of whether or not gay marriage is allowed. Turning to vicious words and hostile action's is completely against the teachings of Jesus. Jesus would be kind to homosexual's, after all he hung out with major sinner's. He continues to love regardless of there sexual orientation. Read the bible for people who doubt, Jesus loves all even if they don't follow his teachings. Do not fight sin with sin, but fight sin with love and compassion.
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Typical Obama
We need to get our terms correct.
Marriage = the uniting of a male and female - period
Union = male and male or female and female
What people do behind closed doors and in their private spaces is their business.
I don't want to be constantly slapped in the face with it.
- JWINGEORGIA
June 20, 2009 5:23AM
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What are they slapping you in the face with?
And should you hold yourself to the same standard?
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June 21, 2009 2:52AM
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So,,,,
Did someone hold a gun to your head and make you attend a gay wedding? Were you slapped in the face with an errant penis at a gay pride parade? If not, I might suggest that you can keep your terms while progress moves on without you.
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They have equal rights thats not what they want now
Quote from VILLAGE VOICE; " It isnt enough to become parallel to straights. We want to obliterate such dichotomies altogether.
According to the book, THE POLITICS OF BAD FAITH, by David Horowitz that equality is the last thing the homosexual community wants from page 159 Quote:
As a result, radicals do not want integration into democratic system or equal participation in a democratic state. Nothing coudl be more self-defeating for them than tobe counted one among many.
...To the revolutionary, all that exists deserves to perish.end quote
They have more than proved that they do not want equality they want domination and those who oppose them no longer cowar to the false accusations of homophobia and bigotry ,that has previously worked on those who are of a weak constitution and lack a firm reslove to back up their convictions;that wrong is wrong and it will always be wrong no matter how you package it, or paint over it, its still a pile of dung.
Quote from former President, one I hold respect for, 1909 Roosevelt states, I BELEIVE THAT THE NEXT HALF CENTURY WILL DETERMINE IF WE WILL ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF CHRISTIAN CIVILIZATION OR REVERT TO THE HORRORS OF BRUTAL PAGANISM" End quote. Obama has reverted us a step back into paganism but I trust that God will take up two steps forward.
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Oy, put down the kool aid...
Time to get out in the world and meet some actual gay people, Hope. Maybe get to a bigger city where you will see that gay people are living their lives, not actually plotting some take over of your children .
If it isn't the right choice for you, then, well, don't marry (or have sex with) a gay person. No one's after you.
I can't believe people like you still exist, and I say this in the nicest way possible, I hope you can love your children if they happen to be gay.
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How about ADULTRY PRIDE MONTH?
Celebrating the diversity that adultry brings into married peoples lives. How about recognizing the rights of the adulterers in America? We could pass out motel room keys, fake ofcourse, but theyd get the picture. We could have some big name celebrites like Brad Pitt who cheated be the grand marshal and pass out little red lips as our trade mark to everyone. If we will celebrate homosexuality why not adultry? Why not incest or man-boy-love? If your going to open the door to a few why not everyone? That is where this is going right?
- Hope7
July 20, 2009 5:01PM
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Ahhh, rigggghhhht...
Because GAY people invented adultery. They are trying to steal your children and convert them. Brad Pitt perhaps never would have cheated on his wife if there weren't gay people around. It COULDN'T be that there are people who cheat on their wives and have sex with children or practice incest and do ALL kinds of immoral things...it just HAS to be tied into being gay.
I hope you get a chance to experience the real world someday, Hope.
- jheimer
July 21, 2009 5:00AM
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silly really
Hope this statement is silly and really comes across as ignorant. I'm amazed that "y'all" try to compare homosexuality to all these wonderful "wrongs" that are sooooooooo widely exercised and publicized by the HETROSEXUAL community. I think y'all have some very serious problems within your sacredness of hetrosexuality relations and marriages. Fidelity, honesty, morals, commitment to the perceived sacredness of vows taken before God. spousal abuse, child abuse, dead beat parents, and parents who teach their wonderful children how to discriminate and hate. Many of the headlines describe HETROSEXUAL CHRISTIANs as adulterers. Man boy? What about the everyday pedeophiles that live in our society (hetro identified). Theres always 3 fingers pointing back Hope
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July 21, 2009 1:50PM
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Twenty years ago that would be a response to ssm
So I find your comment intolerant, at least, and hypocritical, at best. You may not be able to understand the damage that ssm will crate for America, but the majority of us can, and to say Im ignorant only makes you look bad.
My comments where sarcasm, a delicate use of joking to make a point, and that is a humor that intelligent people would comprehend. Have a good day.
- Hope7
July 22, 2009 10:08AM
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but
You do not understand the damage same sex marriage will cause. You can only speculate. And I'm unsure of how your speculations lead to such a conclusion, considering that our long-time neighboring country (Canada) has full legalization of same sex marriage. They're certainly not in shambles to any degree. Not to mention that more than a handful of states have legalized same sex marriage. There is absolutely no notable degradation of those civilizations as a result of legalization of same sex marriage.
It's nice that you have beliefs and all. But it's somewhat unintelligent to spout off your beliefs as if they were factual.
- learnlogic
July 22, 2009 11:06AM
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speculation
And without concrete evidence that harm will be done there is no reason to deny people their rights.
- MrBook
July 22, 2009 9:32PM
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I gotta say
I'm rethinking the whole thing after moving up here. I mean, they allowed gay marriage and boom. Half the country is a frozen, uninhabitable wasteland.
- quantummechanik
August 3, 2009 1:45AM
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Hilarious
A. Jheimer, love your comments.
B. I think it is hilarious that people like Hope7 believe this crap. I also think it is hilarious that some dude got caught having sex with another dude while cheating on his wife (because homosexuality was rampant in Greek, Roman, and Aramain society) so rather than get caught, he decided to make it illegal to keep his pissed off wife from nagging him about his indiscretions about doing what he really felt.
C. I think it is hilarious that in the same paragraph homosexuality is linked to incest, pedophilia, and adultery. To Hope7's point, if everyone is getting a "pride" month, why not have a hypocrite month for people like Hope7? How about a persecutor month? How about an ignorant moron month - there is certainly demand - the entire evangelical right would be floating their KKK banners and confederate flags all over the place. Disney could have a hate pride parade so that they didn't show preference for one group and not the other.
- remeadial
August 2, 2009 11:16PM
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Proud to be an Episcopalian!
Pres Obama and the Episcopal Church should take pride in following the teachings of Jesus Christ by accepting unconditionally, the love and support of all people no matter who and what they are in life! Episcopalians believe wholeheartedly, in embracing all of God's children and to be tolerant and respectful of everybody! We follow in Christ's footsteps and believe that all of God's children no matter if they are gay or straght, Moslem or Jewish or even Atheist, are worthy of God's blessings!
These so-called TV evangelists and others on the extreme right should be ashamed of themselves for being so self-righteuous and trying to pander to the worst in people. They spread hatred not love and Jesus would be truly ashamed if He was living amongst us! The Baptists have a history of supporting the evil that man has inflicted on others especiall when it came to slavery. The southern baptist churches still like to spread hatred towards those they disagree with: those who support a woman's right to chose an abortion ; gay rights ;
and enviornmental causes. The Episcopal Church has taken these positions head on and despite internal debates, can be proud that we are witnesses for Christ and true followers in His image!
- philly53
August 27, 2009 7:33PM
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