Yes There Should Be a Uniform National Law Requiring ID Checks

I'm a gun owner, strong second amendment supporter and avid recreational trap shooter. But I can't understand why there is no federal law requiring at the very least a criminal background check for all gun sales in the US? In fact, in a post 911 world when enormous resources are being devoted to anti terrorism initiatives, anyone including convicted felons and suspected terrorists can legally buy an unlimited number of easily concealable high powered handguns and military style weapons in 32 states from “private” individuals and at thousands of gun shows annually without a background check or even an ID!

Federal gun policy dictates that only Federally Licensed gun dealers are required to run background checks and it's estimated that more than 50% of guns sold in the US are sold by "private" individuals. There are documented cases in which Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and IRA terrorists have been convicted of purchasing military style high capacity weapons at US gun shows where over half the guns sold are legally purchased without an ID or background check. Criminals and terrorists have exploited this dangerous loophole in US gun policy for years and the fact that background checks are not uniformly required by Congress is the epitome of truth is stranger than fiction public policy.


MKEgal's picture

"I can't understand why there is no federal law requiring at the very least a criminal background check for all gun sales in the US"

How do you propose to get criminals to have these background checks?
Seriously, HOW?
Because it isn't the good citizens who are causing problems, no matter how many guns they own.
It's the CRIMINALS.

CRIMINALS don't buy guns from dealers. Even the FBI admits that they steal them or buy from another criminal who has stolen them, or get someone with a clean record to make the purchase. All illegal, but there's no way to stop it.

CRIMINALS also ignore laws about "don't carry concealed" and "have it unloaded & encased in the car" and "don't rob, rape, or murder".

All background checks or IDs do is impose another infringement on the right to keep & bear arms.
Would you put up with that in order to post on a blog?
How about meeting with friends?

Would you put up with that in order to worship? Want to ID yourself to a cop & have her/him run an instant background check on you before you can enter church? It would stop those crazy mass murderers who shoot up churches, wouldn't it? If it saves "just one life" it's worth it, right?

I'll tell you what has saved about 2100 lives a day: armed citizens taking responsibility for themselves.

Defender's picture

Freedom is not a loophole.
The price of a FULL-AUTO AK-47 in the Middle East is $50.
Drug cartels ship TONS of drugs at a time across our borders, some of it from the poppy fields of AFGHANISTAN.
Add 2+2. terrorists aren't going to pay $1,000 for a semi-auto or $6,000 for a full-auto. Street criminals aren;t going to pay $500 for a handgun they can get in a bad neighborhood for $50.
The people going to gun shops and gun shows are not the problem.
Instant check data has been unlawwfully kept on file and unlawfully released to local law enforcement BEFORE THE GUN BUYER HAD EVEN LEFT THE GUN SHOW. The buyer was eleigible to buy the gun or the sale would have been denied. Other issues such as previous misdemeanor violations were used to arrest people and confiscate their guns .
We know what happens after registration.

Defender's picture

It's not a threat, it's a thought experiment.
Do you object to doing it? Why?
Because people can then know where to come in order to f--- with you?
NOW do you understand?

comensense25's picture

The killers, the communists, the Nazi, the killers in Darfur, Uganda, Morrocco, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan where the government just to name few countries. In the US the killers where the southern cops and KKK. Would you let yourself and your familyt be helpless when they come for you? I

schwei's picture

We can argue whether or not someone is or isn't a supporter but that gets away from the issue. How about facts: It is NOT legal for a convicted felon to purchase a gun. The laws are quite clear and if they do purchase, they are INTENTIONALLY breaking the law . This would bring me to the second point of fact: If laws (and we have quite a few on the books) worked in the first place, then please explain to me why we need to add more which merely reates a burden on the law abiding. If I am a criminal and there were ID checks, would it be so hard to steal an identity? It seems that happens all the time. I don't believe more laws are the answer. Perhaps enforcing those that make sense AND removing some of the more draconian laws would actually help law enforcement decide who the bad guys are and respond to their infractions of the law as opposed to dealing with a law abiding citizen who unkowingly broke a law because of the 'patchwork' of laws that cover the country. I say fewer, logical (not emotionally driven) laws would result in the security that others want. Clearly the MANY laws we have now DO NOT work or we would not be having this discussion.

amassey's picture

Am a multi-gun owner/NRA advocate-member since 1979. Have many firearms prior to "registration - ID check requirement". 3 guns bought under the fascist "registration" period - gave as gifts to family. still "registered" in my name-now have to provide a bill of sale to cover my ass, who knows where they are now. ID checks don't do squat, except to allow the gov to track my/our constutional rights. now govment is pushing legislation to have fire pin, barrel marking registration. bullshit. got a fanny pack holster just months before made illegal. just try to take my guns away from me.

StephenE's picture

This is a State issue. The Federal government needs to keep It's nose out of it.
The Bill of Rights were initially intended to prevent the Federal goverment from infringing upon the Rights of The People and the States.
If The People of my home State of Virginia wish to place ID requirements upon potential gun buyers, I have no problem with it, and neither should the NRA.
I am firmly against giving the Federal government any more authority than It has already stolen.

ChiefSkeptic's picture

Government policy to control the population with a license to work is simple another way of keeping track of who is making how much money and how to extract the most from them. It may seem like "Hi, we are from the government and we are here to help you," but in fact they mean control you, exploit you and slowly, carefully, with expert spin, make us all like them taking our freedoms away. I say no to government intervention unless it is asked for, eg. Katrina victims. The gov is doing a great job there, eh? Do you think they will do any better with any of our other rights when they can continue to slough off such a huge global spectacle 5 years later?

Our founding fathers left us gun rights so that the government could not get out of control. Criminals will always have guns . National Guard Armory thefts are not usually reported in the news, nor are break ins at gun stores or the theft of guns from law abiding citizens. Remember the zip gun? People used to make their own very simple guns. Arm the citizens, protect America.

moby clarke's picture

Wow, what a laugh. As stated in the previous comment, you might own a gun, but you are not a 2nd Amendment advocate. First, if you are so ok with ID checks, then, lets have them for other rights as well. First, in order to write drivel like this, you need to be fully ID'd and have a complete background check run. Secondly, in order to vote , you must have your papers handy and in order. Next, while out on a walk with your kids , make sure you have your papers with you as "they" may want to insure you are not a pedophile.

Please, stick to subjects you understand, like flavors of soda and fabric wear patterns. You certainly don't understand Constitutional issues. Thanks for playing.

flashman's picture

You may be a shotgun owner, but you are not a "strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment." Anyone who values the 2nd Amendment would know that the ID check you are advocating does nothing to make America safer. Most guns used on crimes were acquired through straw purchases (where a NICS check was done) or through theft. Why would you want to deny a parent the right to give a gun to an adult child? The assertion that 50% of sales at gun shows is laughable. All dealers at gun shows do background checks on purchasers. The only purpose to requiring htat all sales be "papered" is so that there will be a paper trail when the anti-gun folks seek to require registration of guns. And bans always follow registration.

I really get tired of gun banners claiming to be 2nd Amendment supporters.

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