We Must Defeat Vicious Ideologies
What does a real war look like?
Its goal is to use all necessary military force to compel the enemy to renounce its cause as hopeless, so that it fears to take up arms against us. This is how America and its allies defeated both Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan.
In World War II, the enemy and its supporters were exhausted materially and crushed in spirit. What our actions demonstrated to them is that any attempt to implement their vicious ideologies would bring them only destruction and death. Since their defeat, Nazism and Japanese imperialism have essentially withered as ideological forces.
Victory today requires the same: smashing Iran’s totalitarian regime and thus demoralizing the Islamist movement and its many supporters, so that they, too, abandon their cause as futile.
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What this particular argument seems to misunderstand is that both Japan and Germany were defeated militarily. i.e. they had a bunch of tanks and guns and such and when it was become overwhelming clear that we had way more tanks and bombs than they did, they rightfully saw that the specific goals they were trying to achieve were futile. And, very importantly, they had a central power structure that had enough authority to accept defeat.
In the case of the jihaddi ideology, there is no numerical calculation by which either they or we can judge defeat, no point at which surrender suddenly seems the most logical option. If all it takes is 19 dudes and some flight training classes to start two wars, then really the only way to militarily defeat Jihaddism would be to kill everyone who would ever espouse such an ideology. It takes a massive economy and military buildup to bomb Pearl Harbor and hope to get away with it. All it takes is a kid and some hate to create terror.
Basically you can not bomb hate and lunacy into submission.
Islamic Totalitarianism has grown massively due to state sponsorship and support, from entities such as Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. This is precisely because we have left them alone and done nothing. They openly hate us and provoke us because we have proven we will do little to nothing. Terrorists freely move about in Iran and other countries, they have training bases and material support from many of the states they operate in. Their public media (state controlled) extol the virtues of martyrdom and the evil of the US. These are the places to start, with Iran for sure. When we have shown we are serious and no state that supports terrorism will survive, the other countries will take notice and stop their support for terrorism. You can bet their citizens will demand it when they learn that they're next in line for de-terrorization, especially after they've seen a demonstration or two of our commitment.
If Iran is attacked, the Ahmadinejad-regime will portray itself as a victim and that will unfortunately be a reason for many (illiterate) people to support the regime. It will thus give the islamists more power still.
It's better to support the ones who want to reform the regime from the inside. Lasting result will only come from within. Therefore: help the reformists!
(Sorry if my English is not so good).
In world war two, the Empire of Japan (A far more powerful nation than Iran can ever hope to aspire) attacked the US. By the end, the US had used all means necessary -- including the first detonated nuclear bomb in history -- to destroy their vicious ideology. The result was not sympathy, victimhood, or an everlasting hatred of the US. The result was the crushing defeat of their spirit, seeing that they cannot win, and they abandoned their ideology as such. Now, Japan is one of the leading economic powerhouses in the world, enjoying conditions unlike ever it had in history.
If the US attacks Iran with overwhelming force -- which need not be a nuclear bomb -- then they will be defeated, as will their ideology. Those who see this will not rally behind them, but instead see that their cause is hopeless. Only then can their be any true reconstruction.
The islamic ideology is not just confined to Iran. It is an agressive ideology that since 14 centuries has spread all over the world and will not suddenly disappear when Iran is attacked. Islamists play the victim-card already and will use every attack to convince muslims to fight for islam.
Best thing to do is a largescale support for reformists (inside and outside Iran) to fight their regime from within, including the sabotage of nuclear installations, and convincing and educating ignorants.
By the way: why does the world accept all this haughty talk about human rights in Europe and America from islamic regimes in de UN who actually violate all these rights (beheadings, hangings, torture, no rigths for minorities) in their own countries?? I think it's time Europe and America turned their backs on this deformed UN!
>> "The islamic ideology is not just confined to Iran. It is an agressive ideology that since 14 centuries has spread all over the world and will not suddenly disappear when Iran is attacked. Islamists play the victim-card already and will use every attack to convince muslims to fight for islam."
This is an often reasonable consideration - that they will simply play the victim and win support for their cause. But the only reason their even _have_ a cause, is because of decades of appeasement, from both the US and Europe. If they are shown that, finally, a strong power (In this case the US) will not abide the existence of such an aggressive ideology, then, far from triggering an influx of followers, it will show them that there can be no victory. But this can only happen if they are shown that the US is committed, 100% to use any means to attain victory. Any holding back will only be seen as a sign of weakness.
>> "By the way: why does the world accept all this haughty talk about human rights in Europe and America from islamic regimes in de UN who actually violate all these rights (beheadings, hangings, torture, no rigths for minorities) in their own countries?? I think it's time Europe and America turned their backs on this deformed UN!"
On this, we are wholeheartedly in agreement.