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America has become haunted by the specter of deadly school shootings. As we all work to prevent further tragedy, some are advocating allowing students to carry concealed firearms as a means of defense. But would such measures really make college campuses safer?
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Utah Campuses Allow Concealed Firearms
- From CCRKBA
By Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms - The Common Sense Gun Lobby
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No Guns
My Reasons why No Guns on Campus:
1) Someone who may have a mental illness may hurt or kill someone.
2) There are some(or a lot) of cases that kids in Elementry, Middle and High schools manage to get guns from their parents' or grandparents' room or get a gun from someone else.
3) Some colleges tend to have their students to have parties with alchols and if two people(may be drunk) may began to argue a bit and out of norwhere, one of them pull out a gun and shot the another person.
I understand couple of colleges allow their students(21 and over) to carry weapons and guns save lives, but guns can also take others lives of innocent people.
- Bondori13
January 23, 2009 4:52PM
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Do some research
1. It is already illegal for those that have a mental illness to poses a handgun and they would not in any state be able to obtain a concealed weapons permit so your first point is a complete non-issue.
2. What does this have to do with allowing licensed concealed weapon permit holders to carry on campus? You have to be 21 in most states to get a permit and we are talking about colleges it is against federal law to carry into to a K-12 school.
3. Just about every party I have been too has been off campus so how would allowing permit holders on campus have any effect on this. Permit holders go to parties off campus all the times I have yet to hear any stories from anywhere in the country where a permit holder got drunk and did something. Also no permit holder would carry and then drink it is already illegal and they would have their permit revoked if they got caught.
- tenmaster96
January 26, 2009 7:22PM
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So What
Just because allowing students to carry concealed weapons works in Utah doesn't mean it's going to work in every other state.
- mer January 25, 2009 4:28PM
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Olderman
"Just because allowing students to carry concealed weapons works in Utah doesn't mean it's going to work in every other state."
Just what is different from the people outside of Utah that will cause this to fail????
- Olderman
January 26, 2009 10:08AM
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Please go take a course
Go take a course on handgun safety before coming up with all these "maybe this will happen" arguments. Drinking while carrying is one of the fastest ways to lose your right to carry.
Fact: Many Criminals and Crazies already have guns and don't subscribe to this debate.
Fact: Solid law abiding citizens won't have guns if the law doesn't allow them to have them.
Fact: People who don't believe in guns are not required to carry them.
Why are so many people against law abiding citizens?
- joelinda January 26, 2009 3:38PM
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@ Olderman
People are different everywhere you go. They have different lifestyles and ways of doing things. So yeah...just because it works in Utah doesn't mean it WON'T work in other states, but it doesn't guarantee that it WILL work in other states either. Because like it or not, it would be different people affected by this new law. No one is the same.
- mer January 29, 2009 10:58AM
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What does a Utahn have to say about this?
I say I'm moving back home to Utah. What does not allowing them on campus say to the gun owners? "Although you're old enough for the government to allow you to have guns you can't have them here because there's people." And out in the street there aren't? People in Utah are not that different from the rest of the country. Those committed enough to complete the course and pass all the checks required to get a concealed carry permit should be allowed to carry it wherever. There should be no double standard.
"Just because allowing students to carry concealed weapons works in Utah doesn't mean it's going to work in every other state."
Sorry. I think it does. A crazy person won't be stopped from a shooting okay fine. Someone who is after someone is not going to barge into one of his classes to take them out if they know some other students in the room could take them down first. People who take guns against those without them are cowards by nature. Confronted with equal or greater force makes them show their true yellow.
- ecuadmail
April 24, 2009 9:41PM
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Dial 911 and Die
"If government can't protect you, you should have the right to protect yourself," said Republican state Sen. Michael Waddoups."
I completely agree with Senator Waddoups.
Some people think the police are there to protect them. Not so. The police have no legal duty to protect anyone. They are there to enforce the law . That's it. If you think that is not true, read the book "Dial 911 and Die". It has been out for a long time and the book is as true today as it was when written.
- spatin
April 26, 2009 8:48PM
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