Better Election System: Popular Vote or Electoral College?

Better Election System: Popular Vote or Electoral College?

If presidential elections were decided by popular vote instead of the Electoral College, Al Gore would have been elected president in 2000. How we choose a president profoundly impacts how campaigns are run, the importance of swing states and an election’s outcome. It’s certainly no surprise that the Electoral College vs. popular vote controversy has sparked considerable debate. As the issue surfaces heading into November, is it time to graduate from the Founding Father's Electoral College concept, or are popularity contests no way to choose a president?

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Two Thirds of States Don't Matter Under Current System
- From National Popular Vote
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By National Popular Vote - To Implement a Popular Election

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  • talisgeirf
    Make each vote actually count!

    With the electoral college individual votes DO NOT count in a national election. If you live in a state that typically goes either Democratic or Republican, and you have a contrasting opionon, your vote is nationally worthless as it now stands. The motivation to vote is significantly lessened. On top of this, for the political party opposite that of your state’s leanings, those issues of most concern to your state, are minimized at best or ignored at worst. In fact, the state's issues can be pretty much minimized by both partiies because in a presidential election, your state is mostly ignored so that the candidates can spend the most time and effort in those “battleground” states. Therefore, there is less interest in the issues that impact your state or the individuals that live within it.

    As someone whose ancestors go back to the very beginnings of this country, it is not lightly that I consider tampering with the basics that were set up by our founding fathers, but the electoral college does not function the way it was originally intended, to protect the vote from being overwelmed by the highly populated states. It has, rather, become an advantage for those states where the opinions are more equally split. Just like our primary system now gives greater clout to those early primary states (as if many of them represent a cross section view of the country!), these battle ground states now have UNFAIR advantage in the national elections. This situation is JUST as unfair as what the founding fathers feared by allowing highly populated states to have a greater clout. The only FAIR solution with our country as populated and diverse as it is, is to return the decision to the individual and have each individual's vote count equally regardless of the state in which they live. Then our president will be chosen by the people and for the interests of the people, and no longer chosen by the battleground states, for the interests of those who live in the battleground states.

    - talisgeirfUS October 18, 2008 11:32AM

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    • John Q Citizen
      I like the Electorial College because ...



      I really feel my vote would be more watered down than it is now. Basically, Chicago, New York City and other large metropolitan areas will determine the outcomes. Just take a look at those maps of the US after every Presidential election that is broken down by county. Its more RED than BLUE and it tells a story, but not necessarily the "whole" story.

      What I would like to see is the electoral college changed to the following format (Presidential Election);

      1. The winner of each congressional district (throughout the US) wins that Electoral College. This would negate the winner takes all as is now in most states.

      2. The two Electoral College votes for US Senators (2 for each state) could either be;

      a. Awarded to the candidate that has the most vote’s statewide (popular vote).
      b. Awarded to the candidate that won the most congressional districts (may not necessarily be the popular vote winner).
      c. Split the Electoral College votes among the top two candidates.

      The problem is; The Presidential Election is a state run affair and it wouldn't work unless every state did it. Anyway, IMO it would truly represent a refection of the whole country, not just by the masses as it is now.

      Would some of the elections have been changed in recent times? Dunno’, but the data is out there somewhere...

      - John Q CitizenUS February 20, 2009 2:07PM

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Two Thirds of States Have Made Up Their Minds
- From Evergreen Freedom Foundation
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By Evergreen Freedom Foundation - ...because freedom matters

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  • crunchymom
    Made up WHOSE mind?

    Yes, Utah has already made up its mind. What about mine? I thought the electoral college was supposed to protect the minority. I am a minority in Utah and so long as I live here my vote can do nothing contribute to the national campaign, the candidates will never try to sway me or other Utah voters, and my vote will never count. Utah has made up my mind for me.

    - crunchymom September 19, 2008 6:57PM

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  • Dale Husband
    Thanks for the insult!

    As a Texan who supports Obama even while knowing my state's electoral votes will go to McCain, I feel abused and insulted by the very existence of the electoral college, and insist that it be abolished. No state is of one mind and the election results, to be an accurate reflection of the people's will, must never appear that way. We are NOT the Borg, and I refuse to be assimulated!

    - Dale HusbandUS October 17, 2008 12:03AM

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  • SaintElmosFire
    Lets back up a bit...

    So, say you were in the minority on a national scale with a popular vote. Your vote would mean just the same as with the Electoral college system. The Nation will make up its mind for you and there would be LESS chance of swaying the popular opinion. If you look back in history, many on the states we call sure-bets have changed parties within the last 5 to 10 years. Look at the current election and the states that have changed from Republican to Democrat majority. I live in Utah as well; hey, there's a Democratic congressman, what are you complaining about? As for us being the Borg. If you think we have it bad, have you lived in other countries ravaged by dictatorship, radicalism, and tyrants (say, Venezuela). It was in places like this, where tyrants reign because of popularity of campaign. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
    I digress, there does need to be a compromise; the constitution is a
    work-in-process. However, an alteration to appointment for the most powerful position in the world with a future of uncertainty scares me. Check out what George Washington (aka the Father of the Nation) said: "In all the changes to which you may be invited, remember...that experience is the surest standard." (1) The Electoral College, the least we can say, has hundreds of years of experience and has served the United States well. (Remember, its the United States not the United People)
    Thanks for you comments BTW.

    http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/farewell/text.html (see verse 19)

    - SaintElmosFireUS October 28, 2008 4:50PM

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Regarding Objection
Every State Matters in U.S. Presidential Elections
- From Tara Ross
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By Tara Ross - Author/Legal Writer

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  • mvymvy
    Not

    Under the current system of electing the President, presidential candidates concentrate their attention on a handful of closely divided "battleground" states. 98% of the 2008 campaign events involving a presidential or vice-presidential candidate occurred in just 15 closely divided "battleground" states. Over half (57%) of the events were in just four states (Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia). Similarly, 98% of ad spending took place in these 15 "battleground" states. Similarly, in 2004, candidates concentrated over two-thirds of their money and campaign visits in five states and over 99% of their money in 16 states.
    Two-thirds of the states and people have been merely spectators to the presidential elections . Candidates have no reason to poll , visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or worry about the voter concerns in states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind. The reason for this is the state-by-state winner-take-all rule enacted by 48 states, under which all of a state's electoral votes are awarded to the candidate who gets the most votes in each separate state.

    - mvymvyUS December 23, 2009 11:26AM

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