The Question of Reliability

Some discussions of the “torture question” suggest – or
simply declare – that torture is never
justifiable in part because it is an unreliable source of information. In my view, such claims need to be
“unpacked” a bit, and are not quite obviously true enough to allow us to skirt
the ethical challenges presented by this quest

It
certainly seems likely that “torture” can
be an unreliable source of information. The question is whether it is necessarily so. To
be sure, asking a prisoner leading questions – making clear that a particular
response is desired and that if this response is given, the abuse will stop –
is presumably a highly unreliable way to get to the actual truth.   Enough people would agree to anything under such circumstances that an interrogator
probably could not rely much upon the results. From this perspective, torture would seem a particularly
unhelpful way to approach criminal justice matters: one might obtain lots of
confessions, but they would be essentially worthless as indicators of the
suspects’ actual responsibility. The problem in such “confession” scenarios is that torture may well decrease , rather than increase, the likelihood of
truthfulness.

But
what if the interrogator asked only carefully-phrased open-ended questions about matters potentially subject to
empirical verification? A
terrorist suspect simply asked about how decision-making works within his
organization, for instance, would not so easily know what information would satisfy his torturers. Moreover, he would seem to have
little incentive to say just anything , because details that did not pan out when measured against other
prisoners’ stories or other evidence could result in the prolongation or
intensification, rather than the cessation, of his mistreatment. It might still be that the prisoner
would lie, of course, but the use of harsh techniques might plausibly increase
the likelihood of his truthfulness when compared to “normal” interrogations. In this sense, torture would seem to be
more potentially useful in intelligence-gathering scenarios than in criminal
justice cases.

The
balance of interrogator incentives would also seem likely to be different in
the two types of case. In the law
enforcement arena, where success is generally measured by the obtaining of
convictions after crimes have occurred, there might be some temptation to
torture techniques – if they were available – notwithstanding their
unreliability. In the intelligence
arena, however, the confession of a terrorist has less intrinsic value (though
surely not none ).   Instead, the focus of
information-gathering is more upon forward-looking operational detail, upon
discovering such things as the salient details of planned operations, or the
identity and location of cell members. Where an unscrupulous prosecutor might find some value in a false
confession, an intelligence interrogator has much less use for a fabricated
response. (Indeed, a false answer
in the intelligence context could lead to catastrophe, sending agents off on a
wild goose chase and leaving the real plan for the next terrorist attack to proceed uninterrupted.) The odds that an intelligence officer
would seek to employ carefully-structured questioning designed to minimize the
chance of false, “say anything” answers would thus seem to be higher than in
the case of a prosecutor.

All
this is not to say that torture is a reliable source of information. I am happy not to be any sort of
authority on the subject, and hope there are very few people alive who could
claim to be. My point is
merely that torture is not obviously unreliable enough that we can avoid
struggling with the moral dilemmas presented by “ticking bomb”-type
questions. If information obtained
by the use of torture were always
untrustworthy, things would certainly be easier. It is precisely because it is at least possible that torture might in some cases yield sound data,
however, that we have no choice but to wrestle with the ethical dilemma. 


Gay Gardner's picture

I don't see any logical basis for the assumption that a suspect would be more likely to respond truthfully to an open-ended question under torture than to a leading question. The fact that the suspect wouldn't know the "right" answer doesn't constitute a reason why torture is more likely to produce a truthful response.

Similarly, your argument that an intelligence interrogator has less incentive than a prosecutor to elicit false statements has nothing to do with the efficacy of torture. If anything, it is an argument against coercive interrogation for intelligence purposes.

Yes, torture may work in some cases. But it is no more efficient than less coercive methods. It would not be instantly apparent that the information produced was accurate any more than it would be in circumstances where less coercive methods were used.

The notion that the use of torture could be limited to "ticking bomb" cases is a fantasy. It is extraordinarily unlikely that one could know with certainty that a particular suspect had knowledge of an imminent attack, that he would spill the beans if tortured, and that his confederates would not change their plans upon learning of his capture. It is foolish to base our entire policy on such an unlikely hypothetical. And if torture is acceptable in a true ticking bomb situation, why wouldn't it be acceptable if an attack is suspected in the next week or month or year? The cases where we know torture has been used are not even close to a ticking bomb situation. Permitting tyorture is inevitably a slippery slope and poisons the soul of the perpetrator.

Gay Gardner

Naumadd's picture

The debate over reliable vs. unreliable information gathered through torture avoids the primary issue - one's righteousness in one's thinking and behavior. It is assumed that one's culture or philosophy holds some set of principles superior to that of one's enemy and thus one feels righteous in doing whatever one wishes to the enemy to enforce one's assumed righteousness in order to survive. I would suggest that, through the use of savage torture - "humane torture" is a contradiction in terms - one has sacrificed one's claim to a better set of values, a better morality, a better philosophy, a better way of life and the right to survive beyond one's enemies. Whether reliable or unreliable information obtained, it is been acquired at too high a cost.

Without the genuine righteousness to which the torturer merely pretends, he or she is but a savage behaving savagely toward yet another alleged savage. Whether you are the one with whip or the one on tied to the post, genuine civilization and the truly civilized exist elsewhere.

JKM_121's picture

The demostration that reliable, critical data had been ascertained through torture, that otherwise would not have been gained.

But this does effectively rebut the claim that torture produces inherently unreliable information.

BobApril's picture

Dr. Ford's suggestion of open-ended questions provides a scenario in which a torturer might possibly gain accurate information but that does not make it reliable. While open-ended questions remove the ability to give the desired answer, they do not remove the incentive to make up an answer. I do not believe that the threat of future punishment is enough to prevent a false answer, when that false answer might at least make the CURRENT pain stop - especially if the prisoner doesn't have the desired information in the first place. This could lead to just the downside Dr. Ford mentions, a false lead misdirecting resources away from real threats.

Any attempt to design a scenario where torture might be considered "reliable" resorts to unrealistic conditions - we know the prisoner has the data, we have sufficient related information to detect lies, and so on. In the real world, such a scenario is unlikely in the extreme - making the reliability of any information obtained questionable at best. Considering the other factors used to justify torture in imaginary scenarios - catastrophic loss of life, time-critical need for the data, and so on - any data not known to be reliable is most likely worthless.

JKM_121's picture

But it does refute the notion that the act of torture necessarily produces faulty information - which is all I said.

Again, to the first part of my comment, the information gathering value of torture (if any) can only be affirmed by positive gain of reliable information, that otherwise could not have been gained.

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