The Proliferation of Guns Adds to the Gun Violence Problems

"It's wartime, and bullets are expensive. So people grabbed whatever they could from their villages -- axes, hatchets, scythes, sickles, clubs, hoes, pickaxes, shovels, -- and they did the killing accordingly."
After having been "invited to participate in this sacred religions obligation."
6,400 women and children.
"The police soldiers in Yozgat and Boghazliyan ... would even boast to some of us how they had committed tortures and decapitations, cut off and chopped up body parts with axes, and how they had dismembered suckling infants and children by pulling apart their legs or dashing them on rocks."
Testimony of a Muslim Turk to a man being taken to his own murder by government, so he saw no harm in giving details.

"Also, despite what the gun lobby would like us to believe, there are gun owners who do not limit their gun use to self-defense ."

Well, guess what? I'm one of those guys who does not limit the use of my guns to self-defense. I use them for target practice, and yes, I DO use them for hunting . I use them for stress relief, but no I have never used them to murder my family members or any one else for that matter. I HAVE however used them to defend my neighbors lives and property.
Don't forget, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. That will make me an outlaw, and I won't be so thoughtful of my neighbors who have a problem with my 2nd Amendment rights.

I think the underlying problems is not that there are too many guns , on the other hand there are too many criminals. We want to blame an inanimate object for the obvious failure of the parenting skills of a large part of the population. Lets start at the root of the problem, we are raising our children to be criminals. Criminals that steal, rob and rape and murder . If these people were raised to value human life, who were raised to KNOW the difference between right and wrong, to stay away from those who do not, and raised their voices when they saw the law being broken, then we would not have the need to carry guns. Its not the guns that should be regulated its the parenting skills of people who do not get involved in their children's lives. These kids run the streets following the gangs, listening to music that glorifies the types of behaviors that we as a society abhor. And we question why they wound up dead in front of a liquor store. Was it a gun that killed your teen son? NO! IT WAS YOU! You had the responsibility to raise him to be an upright young man and YOU FAILED! Don't blame guns, look in the mirror. Your child is why I must carry a gun to protect my life and the safety of my loved ones

Wow you guys pulled that line out? Not reaching for a heart string there or anything. . .

but I digress- your building a straw man argument. you offer no actual data and create a fictional scenario, which then interject at the end, You wouldn't want your kids to see this, would you?

So congratulations on reading traditional propaganda techniques. If you guys want some other literature to molest and twist around, I recommend Ellul's PROPAGANDA. I read it during my MA when I did a lot of work on the topic.

as to your point- What would you suggest? Eliminating all guns? let me build a little scenario for you-

remember that thing in America way back when called Prohibition? By making a desirable, but if misused dangerous commodity illegal- the US Government created a situation where it was SO profitable to break the law and provide this illegal item that it gave rise to organized crime and distribution of products on the black market that this country had never before seen.

so how would that work with guns? If made illegal- they would become so desirable an underground economy (one that already exists, you would just be empowering it) would explode with traffic from the criminal element in our country.

so who wouldn't have guns? Honest citizens who obey laws, even when they are unjust.

who would have guns? Criminals. laws didn't prevent them before- and now you just made it more profitable for them to traffic their wares.

To suggest that the gun lobby is driven by capitalism and not have anything to do with National history, American Rights, or in my personal opinion- good sense- is asinine.

Outlawing fire-extinguishers doesn't prevent crime. Nor does cutting down in their availability. To limit the flow of firearms will not cut down in violent crime- at best it will manifest itself in a different, and probably more violent form- at worst, it will be business as usual, just fewer good men and women will have an opportunity to resist and protect their way of life.