The Father of the Constitution Agreed

As president, James Madison, "the Father of the Constitution," vetoed a bill that would have given government-owned land to a Baptist church in Mississippi, insisting that it violated the First Amendment and would set "a precedent for the appropriation of funds of the United States for the use in support of religious societies." During the War of 1812, he gave in to pressure to proclaim a national day of prayer and fasting for those “so disposed” to ask for God’s assistance in the war. Later, however, he wrote a document [“Detached Memoranda”] listing five reasons why he had been wrong to do so.

Similarly, Madison initially condoned tax support of congressional chaplains, then later rejected this practiced as “a palpable violation of ... Constitutional principles.” Their payment from the national treasury, he contended, violated the First Amendment and was an affront "to members whose creeds and consciences forbid a participation in the majority."

Shortly after leaving the presidency, Madison observed in a letter to a friend that the civil government performed ably without interference from the church and that “the number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state.”


obrienr's picture

John Jay, who is as much of a founding father as Madison, wrote the following to John Murray:

"It certainly is very desirable that a pacific disposition should prevail among all nations. The most effectual way of producing it, is by extending the prevalence and influence of the gospel. Real Christians will abstain from violating the rights of others, and therefore will not provoke war.

Almost all nations have peace or war at the will and pleasure of rulers whom they do not elect, and who are not always wise or virtuous. Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." (The Life of John Jay p. 376)

http://books.google.com/books?id=eCMWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA376&dq =%22our+Christian+nation+to+select+and+prefer+Christians+for+their+rulers%22#PPA376,M1

dsmccoy's picture

The framers were a diverse lot and Jay was not typical.

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

Jays view was only one of many.

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