The Definition of 'God'

Therefore it cannot be proved or disproved, just as weedonald explained much more eloquently than I could. So why do atheists persist? Perhaps they are insecure about their four forces and their vibrating strings, as they should be. Inevitably a Grand Unified Theory will be found , and all of the physicists will revel in the God that they have created via deductive reasoning. Then a few decades later someone will find a hole in it, necessitating a new, even grander search for God.

To me the whole process is beautiful. The search for God has been monetized, via large-hadron supercolliders and the like. God (or as mathematicians like to say, infinity) will by definition always evade the grasp of any mechanistic conception of reality. And I will remain confident in my god , which has a little g because big-G God always made me uneasy.

are just men who are fooled into thinking that there awaits a place one in heaven, one in hell, where all will be ascribed toward infinity, where those who have chosen Christ will be reunited with their loved ones and those who have denied Him will be eternally seperated from all that is good in life. If the atheists are right, and I dont beleive they are, then I wonder if these songs would ever have been writen, I wonder if these men would have lost their minds without this hope, I wonder how many have been saved because these men dared to beleive in Gd?
Amazing Grace by John Newton- Who was a murderous, drunken, immoral slave trader and captain of a slave ship. Who had been raised to know Gd but after his mothers death lost sight of Gd. His life is so wretched and brutal that not even his own crew liked him. And then one day he came across some literature on Jesus and remembered! A storm came up, like none hed ever seen before, and in the midst of that storm cried out to Gd and PTL Gd heard him!! He gave up slave trading and became a minister. Hallelujah!

What a Friend we have in Jesus by a man from Ireland who later moved to Canada, named Joseph Scriven. Joseph lost his first bride the day before their wedding when she was drowned in a tragic accident. He lost his second wife to pneumonia. He devoted his whole life to being the good samaritan and doing good works for others, he never accepted money for his charity.

Silent Night a Catholic priest in Austria named Joseph Mohr. His story is also quite moving.

It is well with my soul by a man from Chicago Illinois named Horatio Gates Spafford. I saved this one for last because he is my favorite one! He lost his only son to a childhood disease. He lost his business real estates in the great Chicago fire. He was a friend to Moody and was going to England to help in the great revival happening in England but was called back at the last minute and his wife and four daughters went ahead. The boat was rammed by another boat and sank. He lost all four daughters in the ocean . His wife was rescued and sent him a telegram that said, SAVED ALONE. When he went to join her he penned this song on the boat trip there. This is why I know that Gd loves us even when tragedy strikes and we have a faith that no tragedy can take from us, the hope of glory, the hope of eternal life through the blood of the lamb Jesus. I too can say, IT IS WELL WITH MY SOUL. My prayer is that my children will all be able to say that no matter the..quote
When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
When sorrows like sea billows roll;
Whatever my lot, Thou has taught me to say,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.
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Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
Let this blest assurance control,
That Christ has regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.
AMEN. We are blessed in Jesus.

God is, always has been, and always will be. That's a hard thing to wrap your mind around, but if we didn't dwell in a finite mindset, it would not be. Many of the same people, who reject God, or Creator, can easily phantom infinite parallel universes, intelligent beings from other planets or even galaxies, but not a Creator. For me, God has always been the only plausible explanation for life. If you really study the Bible, you'll find that it must be divinely inspired if only because of the obvious logical sequence obtained by so many authors over so many years. For me, however, I only have to look at a child or maybe something as small as a butterfly, to see the handiwork of God.

In the first place there has to be a first cause. We have to start somewhere. In science this is called the Unified Force. Since energy can neither be created nor destroyed it is infinite. Science also teaches that it is beyond direct observation so it is unknowable. So the Unified Force splits into the Strong Force, the Weak Force and Electromagnetism, creating the Universe.There are then two questions. First, what is the difference between the Unified Force and God? In both cases we have an infinite, unknowable force creating the Universe. Second, what caused the Unified Force to break itself apart?

..the fact that yourargument states that the universe didn't exist in the potency of a former state to become this one. Nice that you think that, but it's seems presumptuous. makes me wonder, do you possess and t-shirts with a large capital A on it? A the scene of an accident, you can rush forward rip off your buttoned up shirt and proclaim.. 'if he/she dies, that's the end of the road..'

back to the point, (i really think an accompanied video with you blowing bubbles could have added some ground to your argument.)

I think the most direct and clear paradox of life is.. the lack of entropy. The perpetual state of dynamics, of life. in the very universe itself. I don't think you've ever considered that. I think it's the most blatantly profound truth in existence . With our limited understanding of physical science , this is an impossibility. So this big mysterious factor even fits with your terms, so one must conclude the likely hood that your conclusion is absolutely wrong. Our sceince says something had to do it.

brain waves, the fabric of time,... we have a lot we don't understand.. but evidently there is a something. ever dream of something that didn't happen yet? happens to people everyday. apparently, the physical world is just scratching the surface to reality.

now consider the reality of metaphysical ideas. These ideas, being substantial.. now do things make more sense?

This entire argument is doomed to break down from the outset, and the cause is a simple misunderstanding of epistemology, what claims can be known, and how they can be known.

You cannot prove that an omnipotent God does not exist. It is impossible. Assume you could construct a perfect argument that proved that said God did not exist. Because that God is omnipotent, that God can do anything, and it therefore follows that he could still exist and simply manipulate the universe to appear that he did not. There is no rational response to the question of God that can disprove the existence of the being. Just like the liar problem, the concept itself breaks the rules of logic and reason by elevating the being in question above the constraints of any logical system.

The next position that the dedicated atheist will take is to call upon the scientific method (otherwise known as inductive reasoning with some special rules) to claim that we have no reason to believe that God does exist beyond the null hypothesis, which in their case defaults to their position. The problem in that case is that the null hypothesis itself creates a false dichotomy. Metaphysically, all statements must be either true or false, but epistemically it is possible that we may not be able to know the truth value of that proposition. I again present the example of the liar problem as proof that the set of questions for which our rational math cannot reach a conclusion is non-empty.

The question, as another individual alluded to, is what influence God would have on our lives, and the answer to that question is completely and entirely subjective because it is a question of personal valuation. You obviously could not cite God's Will as a plank of a rational argument justifying any condition or behavior, because the truth value of your peculiar interpretation of God's Will or even the existence thereof is unknowable. The question that we should be asking is what authority we, as individuals, should be able to afford our own peculiar and entirely subjective conclusions toward the question of God in our otherwise rational, objective world, and THAT is where the null hypothesis argument becomes relevant.

That being the case, an abstract discussion as to whether or not God exists at all between diverse individuals is clearly completely useless. No knowable, true conclusion can possibly result from that discussion. In all questions of public action or policy, the God concept must clearly be rejected in any diverse conversation (by which I mean a conversation involving individuals holding more than one belief between them with respect to the question) because it cannot be rationally justified as true at this point. I'll state for the record that I haven't seen any clear argument demonstrating that proving the existence of God would be impossible (in a similar vein to the argument I presented above which proves the atheist hypothesis to be rationally untenable), so I allow for the outside chance that some dedicated theist might concoct such an argument, but until then, the limits of our knowledge seem to imply that this entire discussion is useless.

Since when is science the absolute definitive? Science has, indeed, proved itself wrong time and time again. Is omniscience part of the human condition? Science is a human-created and pursued enterprise and scientists that we trust will be the first to tell you that they are NOT omniscient. We are limited by our own humanity. Scientists will also tell you that their art is lacking in final proofs and that their best endeavors are based upon theories that are suspect. Why investigate anything that is absolutely proven? We are limited to the observations of our five senses and the tools that we use to enhance those senses. Who makes the tools that enhance? Is the tool any better than the toolmaker?
Please do NOT depend upon science to provide a TRUE answer to your questions. The practitioners of science are as likely as not to give you a different answer tomorrow as they have given you today. That is the root of their quest and the ever-appealing and ever-elusive goal of their profession.

Why is that answer clear? Seems to raise more questions than answer them.

You make the assumption that God created matter and therefore created the universe. Have you ever considered the idea that God simply organized existing matter to form (not create) the universe?

Your assumption does not hold for all faiths.

It is philosophically,logically and scientifically impossible to prove that God exists or does not, for the following reasons:

1) A supreme Being is totally perfect therefore cannot be measured, defined or even " sampled" as per the scientific method,but if we could...
2) God, if he or she exists, is above dimensional space and time (metaphysical) therefore being above and beyond our capacity to understand or even interpet any supposed " meausrements" or information we could obtain using scientific analysis.In other words we wouldn't be able to understand or inerpret any evidence for God, even if we had some that was scientifically valid.
3) We cannot , by definition ever understand or know The First Cause (God) because we are only capable of anthropomorphizing any Creator or Force that is metaphysically beyond us. In other words, we give a Divine Supreme Being characteristics that are entirely human such as emotions: anger,jealousy, pity, and physical attributes .