Parents face so many difficult decisions when it comes to having a child: decisions about nursing, sleep patterns, discipline, teaching methods and, in the case of boys, whether or not to circumcise. In addition to being the most common surgery for males in the U.S., circumcision has been practiced in various cultures for centuries. Yet when it comes to the health and best interest of your newborn, is circumcision the way to go?
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It is true that the NOCIRC is more of the same. This is because reputable sources have found women have better hearing. Marilyn Milos hears you Dr. Schoen. But because men do not have the equality of feminine hearing, women have to repeat themselves to those who continue to not even listen and keep on making the same old mistakes.
Vaginal latency time with 6 minutes? That's nice. This might be from your Premature Hallucinations over circumcision combined with incessant Repetition Compulsion with the matter you have no idea that you do not have your situation well in hand.
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Look at the facts. It's >50% of the skin system of a part designed to expand into its skin, leaving in many cases a ruched bit to rub on the female GSPOT (why do you think condoms designed for her pleasure have ridges below the glans?!). It contains almost all the fine touch neuroreceptors of the penis - those are the nerve endings that make erogenous zones erogenous.
That is why neonatal circumcision is obselete in Europe.
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October 17, 2008 1:31AM
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- From Edgar J Schoen MD
By Edgar J. Schoen, MD - Clinical Professor of Pediatrics
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Sensation...
Sadly, trying to compare sensation between circed/intact is not simply as easy as a comparing it before and after the procedure. For starters all you can test on someone circumcised is the remaining skin and glans... you cant test the removed skin. What sensation is lost from the foreskin? Also, the results of this test cant really be applied to infant circumcision. An infant wont "use" his penis for 15,20 years, perhaps even longer for sex. During this time, the head (being something that is suppose to remain "internal") remains exposed and has to build up a resistence to contact with clothing, air, etc. How strong a difference does this resistance make it can be hard to know... but certainly a larger difference then an adult freshly circumcised.
Also, trying to test how the foreskin works together with the rest of the penis and the vagina is something difficult to test.
- jserral
August 7, 2008 3:35PM
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Sensation Cont...
Most studies simply do a type of "touch test" which really doesn't show how the movement of the foreskin during sex affect pleasure... and not just for the man, what about the woman? The penile skin is essentially changed from being mobile to immobile, which has to some effect. One thing that would be obvious is the need for more lubrication, but I doubt that is the only effect... The foreskin retracts/covers the glans during sex, that movement is also lost, Without it is just extra lubrication enough? Is sensation reduced for the woman as well? I see people saying, "less pleasure is better for the guy so he lasts longer", but would he need to last longer if his wife recieved MORE pleasure from sex?
"Women prefer circed 3 to 1"... yea, cultures where stuff like this is more common you will find a preference for it, hairstyles, shaving, beards, clothes, female circumcision, but that doesn't make forcing the preference upon a child ok.
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August 7, 2008 3:42PM
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Preferences are subjective.
"Women, by a margin of about 3 to 1, prefer the circumcised penis, mainly because of cleanliness ..."
This is irrelevant. It is unethical to surgically alter a person's body to satisfy an assumption about his future partner's sexual desire. Breast implants forced on teen girls? But if your statistic mattered, that still leaves 25% of partners who will not prefer the surgical alteration forced upon him. Do only the preferences of those who agree with you matter?
If he is left intact (i.e. his healthy foreskin isn't surgically removed without medical need), he can still choose circumcision later if pleasing his actual partner's stated preference matters to him more than his foreskin.
As for cleanliness, soap and water are effective. In addition to being effective, soap and water are also still necessary. The knife doesn't mean he stays any cleaner. You're pushing a subjective surgical solution for a non-existent problem on objectively healthy individuals. Polls mean nothing here.
- RollingDoughnut August 7, 2008 7:38PM
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Nonsense
Which women are these exactly that prefer the look of a cut penis? Jewish and American no doubt, where circumcision is the norm. Trust me, world wide, this is emphatically NOT the case - and circumcision is NOT the norm. Americans like it because it's what they're used to and what they know. And the rest of the world disagrees, as they do on so many other things. Also, the fact that circumcised men take longer to orgasm is proof that much of the sensation and pleasure is taken away. This piece of skin is chock full of nerve endings that have a very real purpose. How dare anyone remove it without consent. So it stops cancer? Please. In that case, I recommend women have their breasts removed - because that will prevent breast cancer!
- ukmarcus
August 15, 2008 9:29AM
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Please Get Real With The Facts
1. The penis is easy to clean whether circumcised or not. A lot easier to clean then the many folds of the female anatomy. Personal cleanliness is important for both sexes. Circumcision does not necessarily make for a cleaner penis.
2. The gliding mechanism of the uncircumcised penis is pleasurable for the male and promotes a higher degree of orgasm in the female. Now, this assumes the male has the right techniques.
3. The preferance of skin or no skin is a no-brainer. As the circumcision rate in the western past of the country has dropped dramically among all races, the acceptance of the foreskin is rising. You like what you are familiar with. Period.
- msreason September 8, 2008 1:27PM
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Sorrells study - fine touch pressure threasholds
The Fine touch study is available here: http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/sorrells_2007 /
To paraphrase, the most sensitive part of the circumcised penis is the scar where the foreskin was removed.
Schoen has claimed that circumcised men "last longer" during sex. Evidence? The males I know with premature ejaculation all had the traditional 1960s circumcision. My husband ... intact ... can last significantly longer. AND he enjoys sex more. Even if the duration of sex is identical for circ vs/ intact (as several studies show), wouldn't it be nicer to have MORE nerve endings and MORE enjoyment?
Schoen has stated that women prefer circed 3 to 1. Which women? Do you have a citation? If they are American women who say they prefer circed, it may be because they have never "test driven" an intact male. With the circ rate in USA at 55% and falling, the consumers of the future will have seen both, tested both and be able to make a fully educated choice. I am pretty confident my (intact) son will have no trouble getting girls in college.
If an intact male does end up in a long term relationship with a woman who "prefers circed", he can always have the surgery as a consenting adult. A circed male, in a relationship with a woman who "prefers intact" does not have a way to return his penis to the intact state. (Though the lengthy process of restoration can regrow a foreskin, it is still not quite as good as the original.)
- Sane Mom September 9, 2008 11:52AM
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Circumcision Is A Conspiracy to Keep Hand Lotion Makers in Business
If the penis doesn't require the foreskin for pleasure, why does this whole nation of males rely on hand lotion to masturbate with day in and day out? They need lotion to replace the moisture that causes sensitivity in the glans. Nations that don't circumcise don't need the hand lotion. Because they have a foreskin that provides the needed lubrication and sensitivity Geddit? If you have a foreskin you don't need to drown yourself in lotion or KY Jelly, however much fun it might be. Case closed!
- ukmarcus
October 16, 2008 9:00PM
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Hand Lotion
I have had my glans nearly continuously exposed since puberty- first by permanent retraction and then at age 42 a circumcision.
I have never "needed' to use lube.
I do occasionally use lube for variety of that experience.
For coitus you can't beat natural lubrication.
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- Hal 84
December 24, 2008 2:45PM
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