You have probably heard the expression, "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Do you agree with it? Perhaps you were spanked as a kid. Was it appropriate? Some people see spanking as an outdated method of punishment or even child abuse, while others view a swat on the bottom as a parent's prerogative. Where do we draw the line when it comes to disciplining our children?
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"nature" meaning the tendency in every human person to do the wrong thing. When a child doesn't listen in the classroom...the school has corrective punishment in play to make sure the child is listening. If a student is lazy and doesn't study for an exam.....a big fat "F" is corrective punishment. When someone speeds to much, our government has corrective punishment rules to ensure its citizens obey the laws. I would say "corrective punishment" is pretty well defined without someone having to tell you what it is.
I love how you guys throw around hitting and spanking. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
"a spanking with some instructive words, that justifies the hitting."
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"a spanking with some instructive words, that justifies the spanking."
I think you guys use the word "hitting" when referring to spanking because you think it makes your case strong.
In order for you to win that argument....you'd have to go in to a dictionary and change the definition of spanking.
"all parents in 24 other nations in the world, effectively raise healthy children without ever hitting them."
If you mean "spanking" when you say "hitting" You are assuming that their citizens obey that law. Several countries, including Nepal (which is kind of laughable that they have that law there of all places) have never once enforced the law.
Many of the 24 countries you mention allow spanking. Some of those countries allow spanking within certain criteria only, etc.
So broadly using those 24 countries as a platform for eliminating a slap on the butt isn't a good idea. Especially since most of them have clearly defined the difference between spanking and hitting a child in their laws.
- reb412 August 31, 2008 5:59AM
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Rebuttal to The Center for Effective Discipline
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Objectivity?
The claim is made that the Center of Effective Discipline is not objective on the grounds that they are against spanking. By this reasoning, anyone who is in favor of spanking is also not objective.
If you want an objective opinion, check out the summaries of the evidence by the various national psychological, pediatric, psychiatric and medical professional associations of the western world. Every single one that comments on the issue (and I'm not counting political pressure groups that require you to have a certain viewpoint before joining) surveys the evidence and concludes that spanking is bad for children.
If Rosemond could demonstrate that the scientific community were wrong, then he could publish in scientific journals and become famous.
- Greg1 August 7, 2008 6:23AM
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Objectivity.....
Sorry, I've read many of the journals of the psychs, peds, etc. and they are not as objective / scientific as you might think...many have a specific agenda that affects their "research". This is especially true with the psychiatric field. Most of the journals I've read are psycho-babel in scientific theory (which I'm not saying we should throw them out the window....just saying they should be read with understanding and a little bit of caution).
Rearing children is an important thing and heeding to scientific theories is a dangerous way to guide our children. Scientific theories cannot replace wisdom in social matters, no matter what it is. If experience (which is a form of wisdom) knows how the whole thing works...then I say looking back for a couple centuries, with objectivity, for ideas isn't a bad thing.
It's the same in biz...I own a biz and would hire someone with experience over anyone with a degree in how the biz should work theoretically. Should we all learn the theories, yes.
Should we understand how to make things better, yes.....but arm chair psychs can't rule how we raise precious, mold able children.
- reb412 August 30, 2008 9:39PM
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Better Ways to Achieve Goal of Self Discipline
Spanking promotes violence. There are better and more effective ways for parents to achieve the goal of well behaved children. These methods require thought, time and self discipline on the part of the parent. Spanking is the lazy parents way.
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Methods
What methods would you suggest for teaching a 2 year old he/she shouldn't bit her sibling?
- reb412 August 30, 2008 9:40PM
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