Are Vegetarians Healthier?

Are Vegetarians Healthier?

Could veggie burgers increase your lifespan? Many experts insist that switching to a vegetarian lifestyle can greatly increase overall health, leading some to ditch their pork rinds like an old smoking habit. Still others swear by an omnivorous diet, saying that occasional New York steak never hurt anyone. Is a fresh helping of tofu just what the doctor ordered, or only a lot of empty calories?

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Myth: Our Vitamin A Needs Can Be Entirely Obtained From Plant Foods
- From Weston A Price Foundation
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By Weston A. Price Foundation - for Wise Traditions

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  • ElaineVigneault
    About vegan health...

    A wide variety of information about vegan health is available online here:
    http://www.veganhealth.org /

    By the way, even if the Price Foundation's claim was correct (which it's not), that doesn't say anything about meat reduction or vegetarianism. Please eat less meat. Your body, your conscience, the animals, other humans, and the planet will thank you.

    - ElaineVigneaultUS October 8, 2008 10:11AM

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  • ydkhatri
    This is probably true

    I have to agree with the Price Foundation view on this one. It ONLY applies to vegans, NOT vegetarians , difference being the added dairy products(milk, butter, cream) in the latter.

    I have been a vegetarian for life, never tasted meat and so have several millions of others like me in India. And most of us are normal people without any vitamin/mineral deficiency. We have been vegetarian for several generations, so long that no one ever recalls a time when meat was ever eaten. I dont deny that we all evolved from meat eating hunters several million years ago, but we (at least in India) have EVOLVED to a point where there is an understanding about ethical, moral obligations to mother earth to have given it up. We are not vegans, but we dont kill cows. They are treated with respect. This respect comes out of an understanding that a man only drinks two kinds of milk in his lifetime, mothers milk (as an infant) and then cows milk (for essential nutrients/vitamins when not an infant). In that sense, we consider the cow also as a mother, hence it is respected and revered for providing us its dairy products.

    - ydkhatriUS February 9, 2009 2:38PM

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  • Mythos
    This hardley prooves this is a myth


    So what if carotene to vitamin A converts 6 units to 1 and does so in the gut? This doesn't mean that obtaining vitamin A from a plant source is inferior never mind not "entirely obtained from". In fact it turns out this is a good thing, with the gut conversion acting as a safety for overdosing.

    The UK GOV website (eatwell.gov.uk) website says that:

    "If you do eat liver or liver products every week, you should avoid taking any supplements that contain vitamin A or fish liver oils (which are also high in vitamin A).

    Older people should avoid eating liver or liver products more than once a week, or you could eat smaller portions. If you do eat liver products every week, you should also avoid taking any supplements that contain vitamin A or fish liver oils. This is because having too much vitamin A (more than 1.5mg of vitamin A per day from food or supplements), might increase the risk of bone fracture. [If you're pregnant ... ] you should also avoid eating liver and liver products, which includes pâté, because these foods are very high in vitamin A. Having too much vitamin A might harm your unborn baby . For the same reason, you also need to avoid taking supplements containing vitamin A or fish liver oils. Ask your GP or midwife if you want more information."

    So it may turn out that you can't overdose on vitamin A plant foods because if you eat a bunch of sweet potatoes all at once your body is not going to be able to convert all that in vitamin A as your gut would be overloaded with material -- where as liver on the other hand is already in vitamin A form and too much could lead to serious health issues.

    As for the other argument, just because a small percent of people have a diminished ability of converting carotene -- doesn't prove it a myth. I could cite people who have allergies to meat but I venture to guess you wouldn't find it accurate for me to say that this proves it's a myth that meat is required for optimum health.

    In you're argument you say that a sweet potato (containing about 25,000 units of beta-carotene) will only convert into about 4,000 units of vitamin A. "Units" of beta-carotene are ALREADY corrected for the human body's imperfect conversion of this substance to retinol. One International Unit of "vitamin A activity" is set equal to 0.6 micrograms beta-carotene, or 0.3 micrograms of retinol. The reason for this is that the 2:1 ratio is what is required in human feeding trials to raise serum retinol levels by a given amount. The average person who eats 25,000 I.U. of beta carotene gets 25,000 I.U. of vitamin A.

    While beta carotene absorption and conversion is less in people with thyroid problems and bile duct obstruction, these illnesses do NOT as a rule result in vitamin A deficiency. Whether they do in vegetarians is not, so far as I can tell, known. Until somebody reports it, it remains a nice
    theory. I have been able to find NO studies reporting vitamin A shortages in vegans. Where are they?

    Vitamin A is found in animal livers and lactations. All other animal products have essentially zero except except cod fish, salmon and oysters. Not every culture drinks animal milk, not every culture has cod or salmon in their diet and quite frankly I know very few people or cultures who can afford to eat liver regularly -- after all there's only one per animal body. Even if was the case that all meat had vitamin A, the whole "human's evolved eating meat" argument in no way proves a vegetarian diet is not healthier. There's a lot of people who lack the enzyme to digest dairy. People with gut problems like those with Chrones Disease avoid dairy due to the lactose. If I was to argue the way the Weston A Price Foundation does, I'd say this means that we're probably not supposed to get most of our Vitamin A from animals .

    - MythosUS March 26, 2009 8:37AM

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    • Mythos
      New journal article suggests vitamin A from plant foods is best


      In my post from March 26th I put forth a theory that,
      "it may turn out that you can't overdose on vitamin A plant foods because if you eat a bunch of sweet potatoes all at once your body is not going to be able to convert all that in vitamin A as your gut would be overloaded with material -- where as liver on the other hand is already high in vitamin A form [retinol] and too much could lead to serious health issues. "

      And today there's an article in the Seattle Examiner that examines a recent journal article that support this theory:

      "An article in this month’s Clinical Nutrition Insight suggests that Americans may be getting too much vitamin A in their diets—and that it is best to get this nutrient from plant sources.

      Preformed vitamin A, which is called retinol, is found only in animal foods. However, plant foods contain carotenoids which are converted in the body to vitamin A. The best known and most abundant vitamin A precursor is beta-carotene.

      While preformed vitamin A from animal foods is toxic at high intakes, carotenoids are not. And too much preformed vitamin A—even at levels that aren’t toxic—has been linked to risk for bone fracture in some studies. High vitamin A intake might be especially harmful for people who have low intakes of vitamin D and for those who use retinol-rich supplemental products like cod liver oil .

      In a recent editorial on the subject, Dr John Cannell noted that “The body uses these carotenoid substrates to make exactly the right amount of retinol. It is a closed, tightly regulated system, one designed to perfection by Nature.” He suggested that consuming animal-derived vitamin A bypasses the controls of this delicate balance. "

      The rest of the article can be found at:

      http://www.examiner.com/x-5670-Seattle-Vegan-Examiner ~y2009m5d1-Vegan-diets-are-best-

      - MythosUS May 3, 2009 1:31AM

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