Medical Excuse Marijuana is a Trojan Horse

Crude marijuana in any form does not constitute a medicine. The medical excuse is a Trojan horse propagated by the pro-marijuana lobby to ultimately legalize marijuana.

In states that have tried to have highly regulated restrictive statues allowing smoked marijuana for terminal or extremely ill patients, and the marijuana lobby liberalizes the rules later. Here are examples of their strategy:

1. Marijuana advocates will seek to expand the number of marijuana plants that “patients” and “caregivers” can possess.  
 
Vermont
 
In Vermont they tried to go from one plant to six mature marijuana plants and 18 immature plants, and from two to four ounces of marijuana that can be possessed..
 
How much pot can 6 plants produce? The typical marijuana plant produces 1 to 5 pounds of smokeable materials (leaves and buds).  Maybe more if grown indoors under the right conditions. The 6 plants permitted by the bill can thus produce a minimum of 6 to 30 pounds of marijuana per year.      
 
How many joints are in 6 to 30 pounds of pot? The typical marijuana cigarette (joint) weighs a gram. There are 28.35 grams in an ounce. Thus 1 ounce of pot will make approximately 28.35 joints. There are 16 ounces in a pound - thus 1pound of marijuana is approximately 454 joints (16 x 28.35).
 
The plants can produce 1 to 5 pounds. Thus, at a minimum, the 6 plants will produce approximately 2,724 joints (6 x 454). If the plants can produce up to 5 pounds each this is 30 pounds of marijuana or 13,620 joints.
 
The Vermont bill would permit the possession of  2,724 to 13,620 joints per person who has “mature” plants. They can also then possess 18 “immature plants.” This is three times as much. What happens when the 18 plants “mature.”
 
Maine
 
The expansion bill will  permit "medical" marijuana patients to possess up to 12 marijuana plants. The old law permits 6 plants.
 
Rhode Island
 
In Rhode Island they expanded the number of plants a caregiver can have to 24 plants.
 
2. Marijuana advocates will seek to limit Law Enforcement

Maine
 
The Maine expansion bill prohibits a law enforcement officer from cooperating with federal authorities in investigating, searching, arresting or prosecuting patients eligible to receive marijuana for medical use or their care givers or registered dispensaries for "medical" marijuana. Any officer who does this can be fired. This is a “get out of jail free” card for abusers of the system.
 
Vermont
 
In Vermont they sought to remove the program from the Department of Public Safety to the Department of Health.
 
3. Marijuana Advocates will seek to expand the conditions for which marijuana can be used.
 
Vermont
 
In Vermont the expansion bill added on vague “conditions”such as “a life-threatening, progressive, and debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces severe, persistent, and intractable symptoms such as: cachexia or wasting syndrome; severe pain; severe nausea; or seizures.
 
This is very subjective standard and was not backed up by scientific data. By not mentioning specific diseases, they allowed unethical doctors to be very subjective in deciding if someone “needs” marijuana for pain, nausea or seizures.
 
Maine
 
An expansion bill sought to expand the conditions that "medical" marijuana can be used for to include Crohn’s disease and Alzheimer’s disease.
 
Washington
 
The expansion bill in the State of Washington sought to add the following illnesses that medical marijuana can be used for: Crohn's disease, Hepatitis C; or diseases, including anorexia, which result in nausea, vomiting, wasting, appetite loss, cramping, seizures, muscle spasms, or spasticity.
 
General comment
 
There is no scientific research regarding marijuana and its effectiveness and, its risks, benefits, dosages, interactions with other drugs, and impact on pre-existing conditions for all the above conditions. Studies on marijuana do not exist that show the quantity of dose, frequency of administration, duration of administration, time of administration, in relation to time of meals, time of onset of symptoms, or other time factors, route or method of administration of marijuana for all the medical conditions in these bills. These studies are a requirement before a drug can be used for medicine.
 
4. Marijuana advocates will seek to expand the number of “caregivers” that can give marijuana to “patients” as well as the definition of patients.
 
Rhode Island
 
In Rhode Island they sought to permit persons with felony drug convictions to be “care givers.” The original law did not permit this.
 
Washington
 
The State of Washington expansion bill provides that medical marijuana providers will include anyone who has been designated in writing by a patient to serve as a designated provider. The providers will be able to engage in marijuana production and they can create a “sixty-day supply.
 
Maine
 
The Maine expansion bill allows anyone who can prescribe medication to recommend marijuana. This will increase opportunities for abuse. The Maine bill will also permit “medical” marijuana dispensaries.
 
5. Marijuana advocates will seek to lower the cost of marijuana.

In Vermont they tried to go from $100 for an approval to use marijuana to $50.
 
6. Marijuana advocates will seek to lower the standards for obtaining marijuana for medicinal excuses.

In the State of Washington expansion bill doctors will no longer have to weigh the risks of medical marijuana against the benefits before giving it to a patient.


WHATADUMASS's picture

If I could grow 1-5 pounds of marijuana off one plant, I wouldnt need 11 others. ' Are you serious? you need to do more then write opinions, seriously bro, there is no way in hell I am ever getting that amount of a single plant. to get 1-5 pounds off a plant, the damn thing wouldnt fit in my house. It would be well over 15 feet tall, or wide If you topped and trained. Then it would be like a 2 year old plant. So with your logic, I would waste 2 years of my life to get the 5 lpounds, and god knows how many nutrients and lights. Hell I would be so poor trying to get my crop, I would need your job just to buy toilet paper.

You need to learn to read facts on indoor growing before you even spout them lips off like a know it all. You are worse then any ex wife I ever met. Get your facts straight son.

cooperjack's picture

dwtung says----How much pot can 6 plants produce? The typical marijuana plant produces 1 to 5 pounds of smokeable materials (leaves and buds). Maybe more if grown indoors under the right conditions. The 6 plants permitted by the bill can thus produce a minimum of 6 to 30 pounds of marijuana per year.

This is obviously someone that has no idea what they are talking about. It also shows that this person has an agenda against Medicial Marijuana. It is clear this person hasnt done any reserch.

#1---This person says "The typical marijuana plant produces 1 to 5 pounds of smokeable materials"

In the real world 1 average plant will produce 1 to 5 or maybe if you are lucky 6 ounces of dry useable material. There are some strains that produce more that others but to say the "typical" plant will produce 1 to 6 pounds is ridiculous.

#2---This person thinks useable material includes the leaves. Nobody smokes the leave if they are useing Medicial Marijuana. The leaves are trimmed off and only the buds are used.

#3--- This person says "The typical marijuana plant produces 1 to 5 pounds of smokeable materials (leaves and buds). Maybe more if grown indoors under the right conditions." Pretty much everybody (except this person) knows that growing outdoors will always produce more product that you can make growing indoors.

People that havent used a medicine for a specific problem shouldnt be the one to say if it should be used or not. If you dont have first hand experience then you are just stating your opinion based on what you have read or heard. Most people that are against medicial marijuana think that the people useing it are just people that want to smoke pot. Its funny that they dont say the same thing about the medications that they take.

Lynn9's picture

The use of marijuana as a medicine and as a recreational drug should be separated. Medicines are for sick people. Healthy people who use medicines to get high are abusing them. Medicines are addictive or have damaging side effects are should be controlled and supervised by doctors . The weakening of medical marijuana laws, laws which violate the FDA approval process in the first place, facilitates abuse. A side effect of the medical marijuana movement is to give people, especially kids , the idea that marijuana is good for health rather than that it may relieve symptoms of some diseases, for which there are other approved medications. Smoking is never healthy, so the whole medical marijuana issue is an oxymoron. I feel we are back to the snake oil salesmen of the past century.

hoffi's picture

Marijuana has the affect of numbing the body and brain, no different than certain medicinal gasses or drugs , just easier and less expensive to access. It is most likely cheaper to access than those other drugs because it is not regulated by the government or drug companies, yet. Marijuana for the use of medicinal purposes sure, but look at this aspect: When/If it becomes a " legal drug" it will be easier to access for everyone, then it will most likely be regulated by the government which will make it more expensive. It will be "cut" to make it less affective, and cheaper to produce but still more expensive to produce and distribute, unless you go out of the country....then you can go on vacation, smoke a lil pot, forget all your troubles and enjoy yourself. More people will start smoking it because it is prescribed and not know how to handle it. (Not that anyone really knows how to handle mind altering drugs) That would make for an interesting conversation in a car accident "whoa did I hit you or did you hit me? wanna go eat something...?"

Yes, I am all for allieviating people's pain. But when you make that drug legal you open a whole new box of worms. California and Mexico can't wait to make it legal. Talk about making the money on taxes , pharmaceudical companies, and more legal exports!!!! ITS A GOLD (GREEN) MINE!

Samantha's picture

You are right that smoking anything isn't healthy, but lets look at why people smoke marijuana . Well, it's very risky to grow, distribute, and sell it, so it ends up being very expensive (about $60 per almost-full sandwich baggy for moderate strength marijuana). So, in order to get "more bang for the buck" people smoke it. This way they don't waste it. There is no throwing your butt on the ground when you get done with a joint. You put it away and later get a roach clip so you can smoke it down until there's nothing left. So what if marijuana were legal ? Well, if it were legal you would see a lot more people baking with it, making a tea out of it, and investing in larger equipment such as vaporizers which are much healthier. Since you don't want that kind of thing sitting around your house in full view of a police officer who happens to knock on your door, more responsible smokers tend to shy away from larger, harder-to-hide marijuana consumption equipment such as bongs, vaporizers, and hookah pipes.

So, make it legal and people will begin using it as it was intended, as an herb in your food or as a tea. Keep it illegal , and people will continue to do what they've been doing, trying to use it as sparingly as possible.

Katatawnic's picture

You were correct about prescription meds' side effects and healthy people abusing them. However, to say in the same breath that medical marijuana use is any more risky of side effects (long or short term) or abuse makes no sense whatsoever. Are you aware that marijuana use in teenagers is down the last few years, whereas prescription drug abuse is up? Getting high is getting high, and people will do it with whatever they choose/can. It doesn't matter if the high is coming in the form of a pill or an herb or a needle or snorting, etc. Those who want it will get it.

How does using marijuana to relieve symptoms of diseases teaching kids that it's good for their health any more than prescription drugs do? My kids grew up knowing that I use marijuana to help treat severe chronic pain (pain that pills don't touch AND that make me MORE sick). They also grew up educated about marijuana being used medically, and responsibly. They also grew to be young adults who abuse PILLS to get high, such as Ecstasy, Vicoden, and even cough syrup/pills. (Not for want of my objections, discipline , punishment, etc.!) Interesting that they respect the drug they grew up watching Mom use for chronic illness, and don't respect prescription drugs, wouldn't you agree? I am not a drinker in the least, yet my kids also grew up into young adults abusing alcohol . Although children do learn much of what they live (such as mine growing up knowing that marijuana isn't "just for potheads"), they also learn what they do NOT live (i.e., choosing to abuse drugs when they were never raised in a home with drug abusers). All we can do is guide our children, and then hope they will make choices that will be good for the welfare of themselves and others. We can't rely on society to teach our kids right from wrong; we must teach them ourselves.

The public is told that pills are good, and holistic treatments (be they in the form of herbs or other "alternative" medical treatment) are bad. I can't begin count how many people I've known who ABUSE over-the-counter drugs, because if they don't require prescriptions then they must be safe. And the countless more who are instructed on their prescription bottles to take one pill, so they take two or three to "boost" the results.

My mother is in the hospital in extremely critical condition right now, has been for weeks. Her liver has failed, she's not a candidate for a transplant because she has autoimmune diseases and her body would just reject it, and she will die very soon if they can't get her liver to regenerate itself. The cause of the liver failure? The pain pills and anti-inflamatories, etc., that she's had to take the last couple of decades. She's only 57, and is dying soley due to prescription drugs; drugs that she takes less than recommended by doctors , no less! Brain, heart, lungs, kidneys, and circulatory systems are just a few of the other major organs/systems severely affected by long-term use of the drugs prescribed to millions of people daily.

Correct, smoking isn't healthy. I'm taking it you're under the impression that smoking is the only way to consume marijuana. I only smoke it when there is severe acute pain that absolutely can't wait for any other delivery method, such as an upper GI attack. (Which isn't more than once every month or two, fortunately.) Otherwise I eat it (easily cooked into just about any food one would eat daily; fattening brownies not required), or use a tincture under my tongue to be delivered quickly into my system sublingually. One can also use a vaporizor to inhale only the cannaboids, with no smoke produced/inhaled as the herbs don't combust using a vaporizer. (That is the closest one can get to "healthy" if inhaling something that otherwise would be smoked.) There are other ways some people consume marijuana, as well; those are only off the top of my head as they are the methods of delivery I use. When I digest it, I don't get "high" in the least. The only "side effect" I get from digestion is pain relief.

Marijuana wouldn't be comparable to the "snake oil salesmen of the past century" is the FDA would regulate it, pharmaceutical companies would produce it, and it would then be dispensed via REAL prescriptions written out on pads of paper by any medical doctor. Then again, if these were done, people wouldn't think of the "snake oil salesmen" at all; they'd just accept that it is indeed a medicine . After all, if something is available via prescription and pharmacy, then it *must* be medicine.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't teach an old dog to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.

Brokeback's picture

I had several serious injuries too my back a little over thirty years ago. Literally all the doctors I had from surgeons, neurologist, physical therapist. psychologist, etc. recommended that I use marijuana along with a small amount of opiates to control the pain. Using marijuana helped keep the amount of opiates needed to smaller dosages for a very long time. I can tell you from personal experience marijuana is a better antidepressant than anything the pharmaceuticals have produced. Muscle spasm is another problem as well as eating. all things that for me have been helped by marijuana. Marijuana has improved the quality of life for me tremendously!

Serothis's picture

It would seem that this argument suggests that any potential recreational use of a drug should merit it's illegality. So following that logic it would be reasonable to outlaw all drugs that are used in a recreational manner despite their medical value. So does that mean we should start outlawing vicodin, morphine, vallium and most pain killers? the answer is no. the debate as to the usefulness as a medicine should be independent of the fact that some people might use it as a recreational drug.

Professor Chris's picture

It seems obvious to me that the entire 'medical' marijuana framework is a Trojan Horse to usher in the accepted use of recreational marijuana. That almost seems like a moot point, although insofar as it seems to be slowly but surely serving its end, one must congratulate the medical marijuana lobbyists. The entire polarization of the medical marijuana debate seems to be steering clear of the real issues at hand: is marijuana dangerous or particularly harmful for recreational use, and to what extent should the law reflect the practice of the people generally. On this I have but two comments: marijuana seems to be no more or less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco, and regarding the practice of the people, the situation and present is quite reminiscent of the era of Prohibition...

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