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Jefferson, Madison, and the Separation of Church and State
At the time of the framing of the Constitution in 1787, Virginia and several other states had rejected all establishment of religion. No state any longer had a European-style establishment of a single denomination, but several retained a form of establishment in which multiple denominations received government support. Many people, including such prominent leaders as Patrick Henry, argued strongly for some form of government support of religion, feeling that failure to acknowledge God, or Christianity in particular, in the new nation's founding document would doom its chances of success. Others, including Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, disagreed. Looking back on the destruction religious wars had caused since the Protestant Reformation, they believed that the surest way to achieve the domestic peace necessary for free and orderly economic activity and to avoid the oppression and injustice caused by various forms of religious establishment, was to separate the religious and civil realms.
Jefferson and Madison had been arguing for this latter position for some time. In 1779, Jefferson wrote and submitted to the Virginia legislature a Bill to Establish Religious Freedom, which he later considered among his finest accomplishments. His bill argued for the following:
• The government should not compel people to support a religion in which they do not believe, and that to do so “is sinful and tyrannical.”
• There should be no religious test for holding public office.
• The magistrate should not enter into the field of religious opinion, but should interfere only when religions violate the public peace.
• Religious establishment bribes (and thereby runs the risk of corrupting) religion when it offers it rewards from the public coffers.
Jefferson's bill failed that year, but so did a bill proposing that all churches receive some government support. Not long afterward, Madison composed and circulated anonymously the important document, Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments. “Who does not see," he asked, "that the same authority which can establish Christianity in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects….that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever.”
Madison was not concerned solely with oppression. Government support of religion, he insisted, would lead inevitably to the corruption and weakening of religion itself. Fifteen centuries of governmental entanglement with Christianity had made clear that neither institution benefited from the relationship. He noted that ecclesiastical establishments “have [in some instances] been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of Civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been seen the guardians of the liberties of the people....A just government...will be best supported by...neither invading the equal rights of any Sect, nor suffering any Sect to invade those of another.”
When Jefferson's bill came up again in 1786, it passed by a vote of 60 to 27. In an attempt to give some kind of official recognition to Christianity, some assemblymen tried to insert an acknowledgment of “Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.” Jefferson took pleasure in the fact that “the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo, the infidel of every denomination.”
With their religious convictions and civil duties kept in separate realms, good citizens may believe whatever they wish to, as long as they do not violate the peace. In later years, Jefferson would write [in his Notes on the State of Virginia] that "the legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injuries to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say There are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."
























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No religion in goverment
I am so sick and tired of people claiming this is a christian nation . Were many of our founders Christians?..........well yes,..........and then again, many were not. They understood the danger of combining reliion and government...simply a recipe for disaster. Of course if your religion is the majority religion, I guess you feel O.K. But what if it isn't........or what if it is today, but not 20, 30,40, 50, or 100 years from now.
But you know this country was founded with slavery in place. And since that is the case, I suppose we should reestablish that...........The whole argument justifying religion is so absurd.
Where is it?
Where does "Separation of church and state" come from. The lie told to use as students is that the constitution says it. It does not. Please explain where it comes from. I know where it says " IN GOD WE TRUST" .
It's implied in the constitution
Thomas Jefferson used the words in two separate letters. The first to the Danbury Baptists dated Jan. 1, 1802.
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."
The second letter was to the Virginia Baptists in 1808.
"Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights . Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state ," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society .
We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws . And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries."
In God We Trust came much later.
The framers did not include he motto "In God We Trust" anywhere.
Look at the history of "In God We Trust" as a motto of the USA.
http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml
The motto was added onto the money decades after the constitution, in the midst of the Civil War.
Then at the height of the Cold War, in the midst of uninformed attitudes which equated atheism with communism, they were able to make the motto official.
It's not anywhere and the founding fathers wanted it that way
The Founding Fathers never intended for the US to be a Christian nation when they founded the US. Some notable quotes:
"Lighthouses are more useful than churches." -Benjamin Franklin
"The Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion ..." Article 11, Treaty of Tripoli
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." Thomas Jefferson
The founding fathers had no intention of basing the US off of a specific religion, they only wanted to give people the freedom to practice their own religion. It is unfortunate that people have gotten confused about what the Founding Fathers truly believed.