It's Not About Prayer; It's About Evangelism

During the debates in Congress over the First Amendment in
1789, James Madison stated: “Congress should not establish a religion and
enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any
manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a
pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they
would compel others to conform.”

America
is the nation where all religions -- including minority religions -- enjoy the
most freedoms, the most rights, and the most opportunities in the world. The
whole prayer-in-school movement, where a teacher leads students, is not about
prayer; it’s about evangelism. School prayer constitutes an unmistakable
government endorsement of religion, and the Interfaith Alliance opposes
legislation that attempts to undermine our religious liberty by altering the
Constitution. Such legislation would send a subtle message from our government
to our school children that those who do not pray to God on behalf of this
nation are not true Americans.


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TB3's picture

"Such legislation would send a subtle message from our government to our school children that those who do not pray to God on behalf of this nation are not true Americans ."
I am not aware that school children attend School Board meetings. Adults do. Even so, prayer is not necessarily obvious; I have prayed many times in a public school as a student . Not audibly, no hands clasped, no eyes closed, and not turned in a particular direction or making any other movements. So what would I be expected to do if somebody came up to me and asked me what I was thinking during the time I was praying?
That actually happened. I simply said 'Oh, I am just praying.' The reaction from the other student was simply 'Oh.' I was never asked about it again by either a student, a teacher, or any school administrator. There was no evangelism, intended or percieved.
Now, I know of many teachers that would love to have prayer in their classes. Not because they are Christian, some of them are not. Not because they want to evangelize, far from it! They simply want to calm their classes down (especially the younger grades) without giving them all a 'time-out'; a good reason to slow everybody down (or shut them up) without making such a to-do about yelling at the kids .
How is it that audible prayer is evangelistic?

flores M's picture

Who is anybody to change anything that was writen before our time ? And doesn't it say one Nation under God..I remember doing that plegde in elementry and it always seemed to calm me before class began.. If i want to pray in school it should be my choice to do it aload or quitly as long as the time is mine...if it were to be done durring a two minute period of silence or a 5 minute break..GOD is everywhere whether we are in prayer or not. He understands our needs before we even begin to pray. No one can really Rob us of our time of prayer whether in public or in privacy .If one is truely a christian and a believer he/she would not need to fight with our polititian over this matter..It is after all as everything else in this world; IN GOD'S HANDS..

Skippy Johnson's picture

Whoever said that a prayer is becoming a religious movement needs to re-think that. Just because a person prays, does not mean he's trying to start this huge religious/evangelistic movment. It's just a private time he/she needs. I believe people are making too big of a deal about prayer and in turn it appears to be evangelism. They are two seperate concepts. Prayer cannot be stopped. I believe teachers shouldn't be allowed to have broad spiritual discussions about religion/prayer, due to the fact that, yes, there are people who could get offended. But this also dosen't mean that prayer needs to cease completely either. You have to see both sides of the story...

kcesarski's picture

I agree that no matter if prayer is in schools or not, other religions will be spread around the school throughout clubs and groups. No matter how hard authorities try to take religion and prayer out of schools it will be very difficult. Also, I do not think that it is fair that Christianity is often jeopardized, while other religions are allowed.

riley's picture

I do agree that if prayer happens in public schools, then yes there will be students trying to convert eachother and all that jazz. But that happens without prayer too, with clubs for different religions. Prayer and moments of silence won't interfere with people's rights, no matter what religion they are. Even atheists and different religions other that Christianity want moments of silence where they can reflect on the day or pray to individual idols. It seems that all of this arguement argues against Christianity, but its not just us that would want prayer.

kcesarski's picture

Maybe teachers shouldn't try to teach religion in school through student led prayer just because it brings up so much controversy in public schools, but that doesn't mean that prayer shouldn't be allowed. Prayer should be able to be an option for students any time. If students ask teachers for religious help or ask them questions, then they should be allowed to teach that student.

clankk's picture

The question is should prayer be allowed in public schools. It is not... should prayer be FORCED in public schools.

Christ tells people not to make a spectacle out of their deeds and that includes prayer. Prayer should be a quiet, personal matter, however it can also be done as a group. Not as a command, but as an act of love and desire to communicate with one greater than oneself.

To deny someone the right or persecute someone for the practice of their religion is not only against the constitution, but the denial is an act of selfishness on the part of those seeking to forbid the prayer.

Kawlinz's picture

I'm an atheist, but I believe prayer should be allowed in school. I do think the initial question needs to be clarified. If the prayer is set out in a specific prayer time, then that's something i'm completely against. If someone wants to pray during their break or lunch hour, then I'm all for it.

Adam Hammond's picture

Well said. This issue isn't about separation of church and state, this is freedom of religion. Even if the teacher doesn't lead the prayer, different religions have different outward expressions of prayer. It will be very evident to the lone christian child that he or she is a minority when all the other kids get out the prayer mats and face east. Our schools can't be complicit, even tacitly, in the evangelical peer pressure that arrises from a group of people practicing their religion.

redondo's picture

I do not believe that religion should be taught as a formal subject in public schools. I do feel however, that it certainly would be a good idea to set aside a short period of time to be determined – say ten minutes or so – for private reflective time. This time could be used by students for praying, meditating, reading or even drawing. It not only can’t hurt, but would probably be very beneficial and calming for all of the students in this hectic and fast-paced society.

Adam Hammond's picture

They have such a private time at my children's school. Shortly after it was started a group of kids wanted to start getting in a circle and praying together. The rules indicated that the students should not be interacting with each other (to avoid evangelism). But, of course the students and some parents felt that breaking up the circle was inhibiting the religious expression. The teacher in this case correctly insisted, but that won't be a uniform decision.

With diligence, this system could be positive for those children who are devout enough that they enjoy private prayer, without making other kids uncomfortable. However, I suspect that the advocates of school prayer will not long be satisfied by such a quiet, personal, innocuous expression of faith.

By the end of last year my daughter reported that she couldn't tell if any one was praying, so perhaps it was working perfectly.

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