It is Unethical To Subject Children To an Untested Social Experiment

No human culture anywhere, at any time, has ever raised a generation of children in same-sex homes. This is an experiment upon children to fulfill adult wishes to parent.

The family changes over the last four decades -- with its baggage of no-fault divorce, cohabitation, unwed childrearing and fatherlessness – have shown beyond doubt that these changes have been a wholesale negative for child well-being.

Consider the research on just one of these previous experiments.

Similar to the same-sex family experiment, we entered our national divorce experiment with all the best of hopes and intentions. Advocates pushing the divorce experiment called forth a few authorities who assured us that children are resilient and they would adjust to living apart from their parents. “Love would see them through” we were told, much like same-sex family advocates seek to assure us today.

Well, the millions of children who were subjected to this experiment tell us a different story, as witnessed by multiple studies:

• The American Academy of Pediatrics, the same organization that tells us the same-sex family will work out just fine, now tells us that divorce “is a long, searing experience…characterized by painful loses."
 (Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health, “The Pediatrician’s Role in Helping Children and Families Deal with Separation and Divorce,” Pediatrics 94 (1994): 119)

• “Divorce is usually brutally painful to a child,” and 25 percent of adult children of divorce continue to have “serious social, emotional, and psychological problems.” Meanwhile, only 10 percent of adult children from intact families had such problems.
(E. Mavis Hetherington, For Better or For Worse: Divorce Reconsidered, (New York: W.W. Norton, 2002), p. 7)

• “Children in post-divorce families do not, on the whole, look happier, healthier, or more well-adjusted even if one or both parents are happier. National studies show that children from divorced and remarried families are more aggressive toward their parents and teachers. They experience more depression, have more learning difficulties, and suffer from more problems with peers than children from intact families. Children from divorced and remarried families are two to three times more likely to be referred for psychological help at school than their peers from intact families. More of them end up in mental health clinics and hospital settings.”
(Judith Wallerstein et al., The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce: A
25 Year Landmark Study, (New York: Hyperion, 2000), xxiii)

Also, a convincing body of research shows us that children do not do as well when their mothers or fathers marry other people. And since it is biologically impossible for a child living in a same-sex home to be living with both natural parents, all same-sex homes are either literally step-families – formed after the end of a heterosexual relationship – or step-like, in that only one parent has a biological connection to the child.

• “Social scientists used to believe that, for positive child outcomes, stepfamilies were preferable to single-parent families. Today, we are not so sure. Stepfamilies typically have an economic advantage, but some recent studies indicate that the children of stepfamilies have as many behavioral and emotional problems as the children of single-parent families, and possibly more. …Stepfamily problems, in short, may be so intractable that the best strategy for dealing with them is to do everything possible to minimize their occurrence”20 (emphasis added).
(David Popenoe, “The Evolution of Marriage and the Problems of Stepfamilies,” in Alan Booth and Judy Dunn, eds., Stepfamilies: Who Benefits? Who Does Not? (Hillsdale, N.J.: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 1994), 5, 19.)

• Children from stepfamilies, where the biological father is missing, are 80 times more likely to have to repeat a grade and twice as likely to be expelled or suspended, compared to children living with both biological parents.
(Nicholas Zill, “Understanding Why Children in Stepfamilies Have More Learning and Behavior Problems Than Children in Nuclear Families,” in Alan Booth and Judy Dunn, eds., Stepfamilies: Who Benefits? Who Does Not? (Hillsdale, N.J.: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 1994), p. 100.)


visavismeyou's picture

We can only speak from experience and conjecture. Anecdotes, unfortunately, are all we have right now when talking about this topic. If there was some way to objectively gauge whether a child being raised in a safe , secure and calm heterosexual home was any better-off (or perhaps worse-off) than a child being raised in a safe, secure and calm homosexual home then we could talk about this topic intelligently. All we can do right now is make analogies and comparisons while talking about our own conjecture and limited experiences.

I am personally witnessing a boy being raised in a lesbian home and have been watching him grow for the last 15 years (he is 15 years old). The couple raising him are very intelligent and caring individuals, but there just seems something odd about the young man, the way he acts and talks, the things he says, are all odd, I will not go into detail, however, there definitely is something off about him.

Beyond that, I am not even sure it is causal, perhaps he would have been odd if raised by a heterosexual couple, I cannot know this, however, in the current lack of knowledge that we have as a culture, I am opposed to homosexual parenting .

JessicaSideways's picture

I think it is much less ethical to subject them to ignorant religious bigotry against our fellow human beings.

visavismeyou's picture

Taking a claim out of context, distorting it to serve your purpose and pathetically placing a concept up as a scarecrow to knock down will not avail you.

Love has nothing to do with this... Sorry. You cannot hide behind it as a shield. Stay on context or don't contribute.

JessicaSideways's picture

How is it that this is out of context? Just because those of us who are less educated say something is out of context does not mean it is so. They are referring to loving, caring relationships between two adults as "an untested social experiment" and you say that it is out of context? Sorry, I beg to differ.

Also, I would like to add that it is unethical to deny gay men and lesbians the right to adopt. Hell, the children will come out better people with stronger character because of the fact that they have successfully confronted homophobia in their lives. Much like children from interracial couples have overcome issues of race and identity, as well as prejudice from many groups of people.

Love has everything to do with a proper, healthy family. That is what these gay men and lesbians seek to form, a proper, healthy family. I am afraid that you cannot debate my comment on it's merits so you choose to cry "out of context! out of context!". I have distorted nothing and deep down, you know this. It is unfortunate that you choose to attack my argument rather than debate. Shame.

visavismeyou's picture

Beg away, it is completely out of context. Context: we have a great deal of data about the various environs that a child can grow up in including but not limited to: Abusive father, abusive mother , orphaned, single mother, single father etc. et. al. These are tested social experiments...

Two fathers or two mothers, however, is not.

This has nothing to do with two people loving each other or not and the diminution of your argument is obvious by saying that it does.

The rest of what you said was wildly off topic.

MrBook's picture

"Two fathers or two mothers, however, is not. "

Actually it has been tried... though not very common homosexual couples have raised children (usually the child of one partner from an earlier heterosexual marriage ).

visavismeyou's picture

You are terrible at understanding context. I will not respond to your statement, I will only inform you that you have missed my point and if you are actually interested in discussion you'd reread it and try again.

MrBook's picture

Then you are going to have to clarify what you mean by 'tested social experiments'.

visavismeyou's picture

You've already answered it, "though not very common"

that is it...

we

dont

know

yet...

Cant get clearer! If there were thousands of cases across dozens of generations then yes, we would be able to answer this question. The original claim of "Crying" was completely baseless because it is simple and no one can disagree, it is, in fact, an "untested" social experiment. That is, there is not a sufficient amount of data out there to give us any idea how this may come out.

This discussion has nothing to do with 2 people loving each other... whatsoever.

MrBook's picture

Yes, I said 'not very common'.

However that does not mean that it is non-existent.

Studies done on homosexual families show that there is no preference for homosexuality among their offspring. Further several posters on this forum were raised by same sex couples, or are homosexuals raising children .

ecuadmail's picture
MrBook's picture

That is not a study, that is an article... and it was published on the 'Dr.'s personal website not in a journal.

Further even his 'analysis' indicates that there is no significant increase in homosexuality among the children of homosexuals ... There was an increase in openness to homosexual experiences, but that is to be expected from those growing up in a family that implicitly approves of homosexual activities.

Indeed with these studies we may have a glimpse of the real prevalence of homosexuality and bisexuality in the human population.

meghan288's picture

so what you were saying about divorce is it is better for a child to witness the pain and stress of the parents in the home and most likely suffer from depression because of it? you beleive it is better for a child to be in a situation were they do not receive full love from the parents or were the only time they get attention is when parents are trying to get back at one another? oh and so you know according to research in pyschology and child devolpment, it is better for a child to have parents who love them, respect them, and will be able to provide physical and emotional needs.

Pat Cheney's picture

This debate is about same sex parenting, not the effects of divorce on children. Yes, it is true that same-sex parents all have step-families by default, but many (most?) times these are step-families since the time of the child's birth. I am assuming that most of this divorce research is done on children who are at some stage of development past the first year, when heterosexual parental bonding has already occurred. It appears this entire argument is invalid to the topic.

Babaroni's picture

Pat, I agree with everything you say here, except the point that all gay parents have step-families by default. Unless we consider that a heterosexual couple who creates their family by use of donor sperm is creating "step-children," then we cannot say this about lesbian couples who do the same, or gay men who conceive their children by way of a surrogate. We don't consider straight couples who use a surrogate mom to be step-parents. In fact, we don't even consider straight couples who adopt to be step-parents. So, no, gay couples are not step-families by default. There are all kinds of gay-parented families, just as there are all kinds of straight-parented families. Really, there are just all kinds of families. :)

Not, again, that I disagree with anything in the remainder of your post. You are absolutely right that FOF tries to turn this into a comparison of families parenting biological children vs. families parenting children as a result of divorce or abandonment, and that is a ridiculous comparison to make as "proof" that gays are "inadequate" or "substandard" parents.

Pat Cheney's picture

Yes, you are correct...I was only trying to be absolutely as bending and as accommodating as I could be in seeing FOF's side of the argument.

Pat

Babaroni's picture

Thanks for the clarification.

Babaroni's picture

This argument has been used many times before and with equal disingenuousness. This was the same argument used against interracial marriage -- "What about the CHILDREN???? :gasp:" Research DOES show that the children of same-gender parents do equally as well as the children of opposite-gender parents. The only "research" which disputes this is the mocked-up garbage disseminated by Focus on the Family, which draws upon studies of children raised by a single parent, generally as the result of traumatic divorce or abandonment.

Stop with the gasping and eyelash fluttering and start speaking the truth for a change.

tojo2000's picture

The entire premise of this argument rests on the premise that the current debate is analogous to a decision made 40 years ago, referred to as the Divorce Experiment. I am extremely skeptical of this assertion since divorce has existed for thousands of years and there has been no mention of who participated in or initiated this experiment.

The remaining point made in this argument seems to be that divorce is hard on children, and I wholeheartedly agree, but without any proof of the assertion of a similarity between the two "Experiments", the rest of the argument is a non sequitur.

If you read this comment, could you please explain what you mean?

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