Islamic Tradition Dealing with Insults to the Prophet

The media can and will do what they want. Yes, it can publish pictures of Muhammad even

though this is regarded as a provocation of Muslims. Islam also allows for freedom of expression

as one of the goals of Sharia (the five being the rights to life, expression,

faith, family and property). The Quran

documents the number of insults launched against the Prophet by his fellow

Arabs. His only response was tolerance

and patience.


call me Roy's picture

Islam: Only Cowards Stone People to Death: An Islamic Religious Ritual
by Phyllis Chesler
What does it mean when a mob of men, numbering anywhere from 50 to 200, stone a female child to death — as happened in October of 2008 in Somalia? That poor soul was not only a 13-year-old child, she had also just been raped. Indeed, that was her sole “ crime ” and the reason for her torture-execution. She was forced into a hole and buried nearly up to her neck. She took a long time to die and kept crying out for her life. In addition to the 50 active stoners, 1000 more men cheered them on.
What does this tell us?
First, that barbarians are mainly cowards who do not view themselves as responsible for their actions. Everyone is the murderer and therefore, no one is the murderer. The group both absorbs and atones for any possible guilt or hesitation that even one individual might have felt. However, as we shall see, there is also another way of looking at this.
For a culture presumably so concerned with “honor,” so consumed with concepts of responsibility towards the family, clan, or “ummah” (Muslim people), those who stone a living being to death utterly shrink from any individual responsibility for carrying out their bloody deeds. Entire families become conspirators in an honor killing; village and religious councils collaborate to issue a death sentence; Muslim men sexually harass women in the streets (of Egypt) — and in large mosque-inflamed mobs (in Algeria).
In terms of stoning, which is primarily a contemporary Muslim-only custom, not only do cowardly men hide behind each other, clearly they lack the ability to act as individuals. That power is reserved for one man, one leader, one ruling cabal only. In Afghanistan, the Taliban hooligans threw the first stones.
This tells us something else that is important. The need for a mob is, in a sense, proof that the individuals who compose it are all being held hostage to the will of the psychopathic criminals who rule them. Oppose them, and you yourself might be stoned to death. Hostage-mobs also share the “guilt,” or rather, their leaders’ point of view. The leaders cannot be held accountable for their actions either — everyone did it.
In addition, sharing a so-called Muslim sinner’s blood, especially female blood, is yet another way to forge a blood-brotherhood that is based on male supremacism.
Stoning is practiced in contemporary Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Nigeria. In 2006, a poll conducted in “moderate” Indonesia found that 50% of Muslims there supported stoning in cases of adultery, however it is defined. Adultery might include: a married woman who is raped by a stranger, or a woman promised in marriage to one man but who chooses another. This is precisely what happened in the recent case in Afghanistan.
The Grand Torturer Khomeini brought stoning back to Iran. Uneducated mullahs in the provinces rather liked it. They also liked drugs, drug trafficking, forcing girls into prostitution and then jailing or hanging them for it; temporary “marriages”; forced veiling, etc. Although stoning is now under legal review in Iran, to date, eight men and three women await stoning execution.
In Iran, one woman, accused of adultery, was sentenced to be lashed 99 times — and then sentenced to be stoned to death. Due to an international campaign and due to the hard work of Iranian dissidents, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani’s sentence was delayed. But she was lashed 99 times and her teenage son was forced to witness her helplessness, humiliation, and torture — and, in a sense, forced to both share these emotions, second-hand with his mother. Her son’s presence before her nakedness was meant to shame them both and challenged him to become a very hard man as a way of avoiding an eventual nervous breakdown.
I am not sure whether there is any connection, but think about this. When Muslims go on pilgrimage to Mecca, part of their three day ritual includes stoning “The Devil.” Large groups literally throw stones at giant concrete pillars. This suggests that stoning is a Muslim religious ritual, not a tribal custom. Therefore, stoning a living human being is not only an act of human sacrifice — it is a classic religious ritual meant to glorify the stoners’ God.
A little like jihad if you ask me.

bugmenot's picture

This isn't an Islamic State so have it. Like others said no one even knowns what he looks like. I say use a image of Mohammad Ali, that way you can claim it wasn't "the" Mohammad. This is a secular country to heck with Christianity,Islam,Mormonism,Buddhism you name it, if they don't like something then don't watch it. I hate the KKK for example but I don't think it should be banned , I just avoid and ignore it. nuff said

FredTheViking's picture

I understand that depicting Muhammad is offensive to the members of the Islam religion . I have heard the claim that Islam is about non-violence i.e. peace (I also heard such claims about Christianity and Judaism as well). So, if a member of Islam responses violently towards a person who depicts Muhammed, is that person being moral inconsistent with Islam?

To state my position: I see prohibition on free thinking as being unacceptable. I understand the US and Europe also have prohibition against free thought and I don't support such measures. Free thought and sharing of ideas is important for advancement of man and see any prohibition against it as unnecessary. As awful as depiction of Muhammad may be to some people, I feel that I have support people right to do it. As the saying goes, "I may not like what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it."

visavismeyou's picture

If you think we should restrict anyone from posting pictures of Muhammad, then you are in opposition to what you just said. There must not be any restriction against posting pictures of Muhammad irrespective of provocation or insult.

stngray's picture

It must give pleasure to some folks to insult and offend one's religion . Perhaps because they have unresolved anger issues and it's a way to express anger and hopefully hurt someone even if not the actual source of their anger.

Most Muslims are devout in their religion and they might be hurt even by this debate. I believe religion is covered under the hate crimes law . I'm not a Muslim, but I am of another religion that is often offended and some Muslim clerics have come to our defense. I believe it is sad to have anger rather than the comfort of faith regardless of the religion.

Blue Linchpin's picture

Does that make freedom of speech not apply?

ghanastudent's picture

Insults made in public might be considered slander and so not be protected free speech. And everyone is subject to these laws, even if they do not agree with them.

I don't think its a choice between having laws and restrictions that people are forced to obey and not having such laws and restrictions. Instead it seems to be more a matter of whose laws and restrictions get to win out. Why should religious people be forced to obey laws of a secular society that they don't agree with? That seems to be as valid a question as asking why non Muslims should be forced to obey the tenets of Islam.

I think you are assuming that secular laws are somehow a neutral ground, but I'm not so sure if that assumption stands up to scrutiny. Anytime you make a law , you are making a value statement about how the world should be and/or how people should act. Laws which prohibit corporate slander but allow for the depiction of Mohammed may seem neutral, but we should recognize that they aren't, but rather reflect our own value system. Law seems to be a matter of whose set of values gets to win out in the public arena, not a neutral ground devoid of values.

Blappo's picture

"Why should religious people be forced to obey laws of a secular society that they don't agree with?"

They're not "forced to obey", they're quite free to leave, or get the laws changed.

The fact, however, is that, in the US at least, the highest law there is states quite clearly

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion "

It is THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE in the most important legal document we have. Think about that while you're asking "but why can't I arbitrarily restrict other's rights based on superstition"?

What's that, that not what you said?

I'm sorry, but I find no appreciable difference between ""Why should religious people be forced to obey laws of a secular society that they don't agree with?" and "but why can't I arbitrarily restrict other's rights based on superstition".

Mostly because there is none.

"Laws which prohibit corporate slander but allow for the depiction of Mohammed may seem neutral"

Slander has a very specific meaning, which is absolutely NOT equivalent to "depicting".

NO ONE is saying it should be ok to "slander" Mohammed, the question is "Should he be depicted".

Your intellectual dishonesty in comparing a "depiction" with "slander" calls your fitnees to discuss this issue into question.

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ghanastudent's picture

If you want to claim that so long as people are free to leave a country or change the laws, then presumably, if the US became a Christian theocracy the religious right would not be forcing anyone to obey their laws, since those who disagreed could leave. This also seems to openly contradict what you had written previously: "why should the rest of us be forced to obey and practice the tenets of Islam?", since we would be free to leave or, in theory, change the laws, and so would not be forced to obey anything. Somehow I don't think you really believe this.

I'm trying to point out that laws are restrictions on people, and that laws, even secular laws, make moral claims. For example, if a religion proclaims that, say, human life starts at conception and it is wrong to take innocent human life, and secular law allowed abortions, the secular law would not be neutral on the question. It would, in fact, be effectively saying that the religious argument was wrong, and in doing so it would reflect a certain set of values.

People who claim in debates such as this that they aren't forcing their views on others, so others shouldn't force their views on them don't seem to recognize this. You are effectively saying that Muslims are wrong in their moral claims on this issue. That's fine, but I think we should recognize that this is what is going on, and not insist that somehow we are not judging their religious beliefs or are not placing our own values ahead of theirs. If we can acknowledge that, then maybe we can understand better where they are coming from.

Finally, no, slander is not depicting, but my point was that slander is a form of speech which our society finds it acceptable to restrict because of our value systems. The depiction of Mohammmed is something that muslim society finds acceptable to restrict. When we say that one restriction on speech is acceptable and the other is not, it is because we accept the value system that one is based on and reject the other, not becuase we actually believe in an absolute freedom of speech which cannot be restricted. Why is it intellectually dishonest to make this comparison? Maybe my intellectual dishonesty does call my fitness into question, but if so, I don't see how you could tell from that comment. :)

Your depiction of Mohammmed is probably better than I could do.

Blappo's picture

"If you want to claim that so long as people are free to leave a country or change the laws, then presumably, if the US became a Christian theocracy the religious right would not be forcing anyone to obey their laws, since those who disagreed could leave."

OR HAVE THE LAWS CHANGED. DO YOU SEE WHY YOUR SENTENCE IS WRONG NOW? THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN A REPRESENTATIVE SYSTEM.

if you insist on lying about what i say, we're finished.

"Finally, no, slander is not depicting, but my point was that slander is a form of speech which our society finds it acceptable to restrict because of our value systems."

Because it is DEMONSRABLY HARMFUL.

A bunch off butt-hurt muslims is not "harm" by any intelligent definition of the word.

I'm going to be ENTIRELY frank.

YOU are a theocrat, who has already stated repeatedly you think it should be illegal to exercise my free speech rights.

YOUR OPINION STOPPED MATTERING TO ME AFTER THAT.

Get it?

Blue Linchpin's picture

I fully respect the rights of Muslims to practice their religions.

But why should the rest of us be forced to obey and practice the tenets of Islam? Or Christianity, or Judaism for that matter?

Muslims would not be happy being forced to obey the laws of other religions. No one has a right not to be offended, period.

tbcass's picture

Since nobody knows what Mohammad looked like it is impossible to post an image of him. Doesn't that make this discussion a moot point.

nickodonnell's picture

I can draw a stick figure, put a caption that says "Mohammad" under it, and publish it and there would still be outrage.

Lamamelk's picture

There are many recorded instances of Mohamed ordering the execution of those that insulted him. A few include: The poetess Asmā bint Marwān who wrote mocking poems about Mohamed and the elderly poet Abu Afak and the poet Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf who both criticized Mohamed in their poems. Abu Jahl was an old enemy of Mohamed, his and Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf's heads were brought to Mohamed as a gifts. The poet Nadr laughed at Mohamed while he recited his revelations and Mohamed had him killed. When Mohamed was about to kill the poet Uqba for throwing garbage at him during a speech. Uqba begged the question: "who will take care of my children? and Mohamed answered "Hell!" Furthermore when a blind man killed a slave for talking bad about Mohamed, and another man killed a Jewish woman for the same, Mohamed declared that neither men should be punished for these murders.

Many fundamentalist Muslim apologist will say that these and many other ancient accounts are not reliable, but it's hard to believe that ALL are false when there are so many, and with many other accounts making reference to them in Ahadith and Qur'an.

And finally, it is obvious that a sizable number of fundamentalist muslims believe in these accounts, know them to be true and use them as a guide for their own behavior. Hence they burn embassies, riots, murder, etc, for as minor an insult as cartoons.

lemonfemale's picture

according to one hadith, this old lady heaped invective on Muhammad's head every time he passed her window. One day she didn't and he wondered why. He found out she was too ill to get to the window and had her looked after whereupon she became a Muslim. I don't know how authoritative that one is. Islam itself contains the seeds of its own reform. I do hope those seeds grow.

elwary's picture

It is intersting to see that there are so many things going on in the world from 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that seem without end together with all the hungry people with not even a drop of water or a hand full of food to eat and the media choose to peruse pictures of A prophet because his rain ended wars and people where safe fed and thrived to educate them selves and others and spreed the words of Allah to all those who listened. It is obvious that the reason behind this propaganda is to turn heads away from doing anything about the wars and hunger. Wise up media get your heads in the right direction and leave prophets of all religions out of your ridicule.

nickodonnell's picture

...but that really doesn't matter. If I wanted to publish a book called "Illustration of the Prophet" that is my right to do so. The media already has so much on all of these other subjects, how can you possibly claim that it is propaganda to "turn heads away" from action in solving "wars and hunger"?

Why is it morally wrong for a private enterprise to publish what they want? Answer me that.

elwary's picture

First of all I believe that a prophet is some one who should not be depicted in picture format in any way be it a good or in this case really bad. I also wanted to note that it was launched at the same time as the problems of the Islamic world created by the first world leaders was at the same time as those pictures while it is our duty as Muslims to defend our prophet by boycotting those who publish those pictures we should still maintain strong view and still pressurize the world to stop all kinds of abuse to the Islamic world full stop.

nickodonnell's picture

I believe the law is against you. There is not anything saying "A does not have a right to publish X if it depends B."

Exactly, Boycott it. Don't claim the publisher had no right to put it out there though.

ghanastudent's picture

on what is meant by "right." Obviously a legal right does currently exist. But there are also moral rights. It is perfectly coherent to claim that no moral right exists to publish prophet pictures. It is also possible to argue from this that the legal right should be revoked. My understanding is that this is a debate about what the law should be or what the media should do, not what they currently have the right to do.

Blappo's picture

"Obviously a legal right does currently exist"

That's the end of the discussion.

As to your point about "moral rights", your argument fails totally.

"It is also possible to argue from this that the legal right should be revoked. "

If you're a tyrant, I suppose. In modern society , the law is clear that morality should only be legislated when there is significant public benefit in doing so.

There simply is no such benefit here. What would be gained from restricting this speech?

A bunch of vocal fanatics would be (very temporarily) happy until they found something else to legislate?

Thanks, I'm going to pass.

ghanastudent's picture

How does my argument fail totally? Are there not moral rights? Is it not coherent to claim that some uses of free speech are wrong, even if legal ? You need to actually give reasons, not simply make assertions.

More importantly, how exactly does acknowledging that a legal right exists end discussions about whether it is appropriate to exercise that right in a given scenario or whether that right is good?

This particular debate topic could possibly be taken as either asking whether journalists should exercise their legal right to publish images of Mohammed or whether they should even have that legal right. Regardless of how we choose to interpret how the issue has been posed on here, it should be obvious that neither question can be answered by observing that they have that legal right.

lemonfemale's picture

Right now a moral we have a moral obligation to do so because some people are trying to threaten us with violence . The LDS church itself publishes images of its prophet. So do more mainstream Christian faiths and Judaism in general. So I don't know about there being no moral right to depict a prophet.

Blappo's picture

"How does my argument fail totally?"

By initiating the discussion by assuming a false premise, then proceeding as if your false premise were not, in fact, false and basing your argument on it.

Just so you know, the sentence I quoted is the only one I read. I saw no reason to consider your opinion after that.

ghanastudent's picture

What is the false premise? Do we not distinguish between legal and moral rights? The belief that, for example, humans have natural rights is a form of a belief in a moral right. That right becomes a legal right if and only if it is written into law . Why wouldn't it be coherent for a person to claim that a legal right to do something exists but a moral right does not?

The only place I see you going with this is if you claim that no moral rights exist. That is certainly a possible point of view, but I should point out that my argument doesn't hinge on moral rights actually existing. I had written as if they do for convenience. The argument remains even if I said instead something like "But 'right' also has a moral denotation. It is perfectly coherent to claim that no moral right exists to publish prophet pictures. It is also possible to argue from this that the legal right should be revoked. My understanding is that this is a debate about what the law should be or what the media should do, not what they currently have the legal right to do."

Blappo's picture

"Just so you know, the sentence I quoted is the only one I read. I saw no reason to consider your opinion after that."

I don't think you appreciate that I've reached the point where I dismiss what you think.

Reread it until you get it, but I'll give you a hint, I'M NOT READING ANYTHING YOU WRITE BECAUSE I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

Get it?

ghanastudent's picture

the value of considering opinions that disagree with your own. I am new to this site, but my understanding was that this was a place for people to share their views on controversial issues and provide reasons and evidence to back up their stances, in order that all would benefit from enlightened deliberation. Refusing to consider what people who disagree with you are saying and screaming that you will not listen to what they have to say seems to defeat the purpose, doesn't it?

Despite what you wrote in our other conversation, I am not a theocrat. In fact I'm not even religious at all.

There is a benefit to playing devil's advocate to try to appreciate the stance of the other side. So many people do take your position on this issue that I thought it would be worthwhile to try to question their assumptions. I can see that some, at least, react very poorly to having their assumptions questioned.

Blappo's picture

You've demonstrated a gross ignorance of individual rights and responsibilities, so why should I waste time engaging you?

I wouldn't discuss physics with a two year old either. It's not because they disagree with my understanding of gravity.

ghanastudent's picture

but you apparently do. You have sent a large number of messages for soemthing that you claim not to care about. A general rule of thumb is that the more somebody talks about something and the longer they think about it, the more they care about it. Given the number of messages you have sent, and the fact that this is apparently still on your mind, I would say you care very much that I am questioning your opinion. I have asked you to explain you arguments and every time I do, you act like questioning your assumptions is a sign of stupidity. You claimed that my argument rested on a faulty premise, and when I asked you what it was, you flipped out.

Can you explain what the flawed premise was? Rational argument is supposed to be transparent, that means you explain the reasoning behind your claims. If you can't do that, there is literally no reason to believe you. I shouldn't have to explain to you how rational deliberation is supposed to work.

Why does having your assumptions questioned bother you so much?

tbcass's picture

Nobody knows so it's impossible to publish images of Mohammad.

elwary's picture

The reason for not being able to detect the prophet Mohammed is not the fact that we do not have a drawn picture of him (we know from the Islamic history his looks and all about him). it is not about having a still image of him it is about his position as prophet. First of all no one is to be allowed to depict him in a still image and surely not to put him in a cartoon that is insulting to his person and all Muslims around the world to say the least

tbcass's picture

A description could never accurately depict a person's looks. It would only give a general, somewhat generic idea. You say no one is allowed to depict him. That should be no Muslim is allowed to depict him. A non believer is not bound by any man made religious laws. I do believe however that all of us should respect the religious beliefs of others. Publishing presumed images of Muhammad knowing that Muslims would be insulted is, IMO, morally wrong. Publishing insulting, derogatory "pictures" of Jesus is also morally wrong.

Dale Husband's picture

Either you beleive in freedom of expression, or you don't. Where in the Quran does it say that no images of the Prophet Muhammad are to be published? And why should non-Muslims be bound by Islamic laws? Insisting that no images of Muhammad be allowed in secular media is a good way to make Islam look idiotic!

ghanastudent's picture

"Either you beleive in freedom of expression, or you don't." Not really. Every society allows some forms of expression and prohibits others. Even American society takes a nuanced position on free speech. Libel, inciting violence, slander, and some forms of speech which are subject to restrictions.

I think it is difficult for Americans to grasp the position of the other side here, since they see the issue as you see it - as a matter of absolute free speech rights. But maybe we should recognize that even we do not have absolute free speech rights. We regard it as acceptable to limit speech when, among other cases, it can damage a corporate image (slander). If someone believes that God exists and it goes against His will to portray Mohammed, is it so absurd to think that this is at least as bad as slandering a company? Believing that the media should be restricted in how they portray companies but not in how they portray God says a lot about the cultural assumptions Western society operates on. I'm not saying we are wrong, but I am saying many people have a lot of difficulty seeing the perspective of another culture, and this goes both for Muslims who cannot understand the West's fear of censorship and Westerners who find it absurd that following the will of God may be regarded as more important that protecting corporate images.

Dale Husband's picture

However, while the existence of companies are beyond dispute, and thus slander of them can be proven in a court of law , the existence and soverienty of Allah and the validity of His Messenger are issues not beyond dispute and they cannot be established in a court of law. Even in an Islamic court system, such things is ASSUMED, never proven.

ghanastudent's picture

That is also a good point. However, it assumes that the harm done to companies by slander is beyond dispute, for one thing. Although the existence of companies can be proven, it can never be proven that any given act of slander hurts their profits. Even in relatively straightforward cases, causality can never be proven, only assumed. Moreover, profits are concrete things. When slander laws try to protect the image of a company, it gets even more doubtful that we are talking about some objective reality. It is hard enough to even prove what the image of a company is, let alone how it is harmed.

I'm also afraid that appealing to the rulings of the court might take things in a direction you don't want them to go. Yes, acts of slander get proven in our courts of law (despite never being beyond dispute). But acts of heresy or other religious crimes can also be proven in courts where such things are crimes. If your standard is what is established in court, that would seem to go for the courts on the other side as well, not just our own.

Secondly, it is not clear that Muslims do view the existence of Allah, and the validity of his messenger as "not beyond dispute." Or, at least, that it is "not beyond dispute" any more than ideas of human rights or causality is. Whichever side we choose, we are operating on assuptions which can very much be disputed, even if doing so is taboo in our respective cultures.

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