Should Marriage for Same Sex Couples be Legal?

Should Marriage for Same Sex Couples be Legal?

The tide of marriage for same-sex couples has ebbed and flowed over the last decade with no end in sight. Because marriage sits squarely at the intersection of religion, law and society, the discussion around same-sex couples’ inclusion into the institution of marriage has been one of the most complex and hotly contested topics in America.

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High Cost of Tampering with Marriage – Kids Hit Hardest
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  • cantupoke
    "All other things being equal"

    I don't disagree with your argument that All things being equal the children are better off with a loving mom and dad. But all things are never equal. Many children do not grow up with a LOVING mom and dad, even when the family starts with a mom and dad. Often children are born out of wed-lock and only have a mom, or the dad leaves, dies, is jailed, etc., etc. What about these situations?

    So if two people of the same sex are in love and want to start a family who are you to say that they will not make good, loving parents? Would the child have been better off with both a mom and dad. Maybe? Does it matter? No.

    - cantupoke July 15, 2008 8:54AM

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  • Mark D
    Nothing to do with kids

    What gay people seek is equality. If a heterosexual relationship can be formalised by the state in marriage and thereby attract certain privileges, then the same should be true of homosexual relationships. If not, then inequality exists. The attempt to tie in procreation as being essential to marriage is a contrivance used by those who simply don't want gay people to be able to marry each other.

    In any case, your arrival at the assumption that gay marriage will somehow damage other people's children by making their straight parents less likely to marry, seems bizarre. It is essentially just the opinion of David Blankenhorn, who as founder and president of the Institute for American Values, is hardly an independent voice on this issue. The fact is that marriage was on the wane for many years before the relatively recent phenomenon of gay marriage. The idea that a straight couple would decline marriage simply because gays can also marry, seems highly implausible.

    - Mark DIE July 24, 2008 12:44PM

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  • edwin p
    KIDS WILL NOT BE HIT HARDEST

    The idea that kids will be hit hardest if gays and lesbians are allowed to marry is a myth. The biggest threat to children today is the high divorce rate among hetrosexuals, many of whom are professing Christians. Instead of worrying about whether gays and lesbians will stay together, the hetrosexual critics should clean up their own act first. The fact is there are many gays and lesbians who have lived in faithful monogamous relationships for many years, raised children and done a commendable job. I live in Canada where gay marriage is legal and you know what, the country hasn't fallen apart. In fact, things have never been better.

    - edwin pCA August 19, 2008 6:42PM

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    • pvtguy
      KIDS WILL BE HIT HARD!

      I disagree with all points you present. Kids are hit from all sides, and at the top of the list, is the parents (mom and dad) or guardians (lesbians and gay/couples). Kids cannot escape either.
      Kids are hit when they see other parents that consist of male and a female. Kids at school, once they know the child has same sex parents, will tease and belittle them.
      Kids in most situations do not have someone they can go for comfort and understanding. Most humans do not have the capacity to express themselves well enough to help themselves, let alone help others, and this has been with us since the beginning of man kind.
      Kids have enough problems growing without increasing their burden by forcing them into a situation that isn't normal. The kids end up suffering, and like most family settings, when done wrong, society also pays.
      Have we had a chance to actually see these children in homsexual settings? No! The few that we have seen, the kids think their guardians are weird, or just have no respect for them. This are the kids that were not affected by this strange desire to be together.

      - pvtguyUS April 29, 2009 1:08PM

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      • edwin p
        THEN WHO IS TO BLAME FOR THIS

        If children look down on others who are different from them who do you think is to blame? The parents and other adults in our society , that's who. I read recently a gospel tract put out by a very well known right wing Christian. It showed a girl in elementary school who was opposed to her teacher allowing two gay dentista to come to the school and speak to their class. She was telling her classmates that her grandfather told her that being gay was a sickness and sin and she was simply assuming that it was the correct thing to say. I once overheard a mother telling her little girl whose name was Suzy some very important things. She said, "Suzy, you will probably encounter people in this world who look down on other people because they are different than them. Suzy, even if they talk like that, you must not look down on people just because they are different than you. Everybody has a place in this world and you must show respect for them. If you want to get respect, you must show respect." I think it's time for all of us adults to start acting like Suzy's mother instead of that other girl's grandfather. If we do, we will go a long way to changing things for the better.

        - edwin pCA April 29, 2009 5:34PM

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  • pvtguy
    High Cost of Tampering with Marriage – Kids Hit Hardest

    I agree that kids are hit the hardest. Some may not be impacted, others may not understand what they see and end up with mental instability themselves, and even others will get the idea that this was meant for them. Like playing God with the thoughts of people, for we have seen people can be swayed, manipulated, brain-washed to think something wrong is right.
    Recently on the Dr. Phil show, a husband decides he wants to be a woman. The daughters are devistated. now they will have to spend countless years trying to understand something that they may never learn to understand, and now, they will fear the males they meet if they will do the same thing to them that their father did to them. We can be reckless and totally destroy the fabric of humans, create people who do not think before they act, and the next thing you know, these group will have high levels of suicide, drug use , and diseases only because we think we have a right to mate with our own gender. Will it stop here, or will humans decide they can marry objects and animals ?
    Kids should not be in the picture.

    - pvtguyUS April 29, 2009 12:02PM

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  • tek
    load of garbage

    I would really love to string together obscenities to this argument. I won't. This argument that children are hit the hardest, and then going on about single parenting in the same opinion are both counter-productive and counter-intuitive. It is precisely the desires of those wishing for marriage that define a two person household. A homosexual couple is two people. A divorced man and woman creates the single parent household. Your argument may as well state that divorce should be illegal. Perhaps you feel that way, and that is an entirely different debate.

    This social argument that gay marriage destroys conventional marriage is a boogeyman, fallacy ridden arguement and I am quite tired of hearing it.

    - tek June 20, 2009 3:25PM

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  • Hope7
    Have you read the book, THE TRUTH ABOUT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE?

    It was written by Edwin Lutzer and its quite good and is broken down into six interesting categories. I have a summary of it below and recommend this book to other Christians.

    Page 15 para. 4 line 1 quote, The purpose of this book is to encourage and equip God's people to defend marriage , giving reasons why its definition should not be broadened include same-sex marriages.end quote

    Reasons I found in this book to not support same-sex marriage .

    Page 25 para 3. And page 60 quote, " We cannot wrest children from the God-given format of family relationships without serious consequences. Also page 62 quote by Mary Stewart van Leeuwen, a Christian feminist, says, She predicts unforeseen consequences from such a radical overhaul of mariage and family.end quote

    Page 27 the last paragraph and page 28 the first paragraph stating, quote ; ..who is to say that it is to be limited to two people? Why not a trio of three men or woman? Or why not one man with two wives or ten?, After all, we must extend " equal rights" to all individuals to live according to any arragement they wish. end quote
    And page 62 para. 2 quote by James Skillen of the Center for Public Justice predicts" Its going to be increasingly possible to produce children, buy, and sell children, because in addition to adoption , that is the only way homosexual couples can have children." end quote.

    Page 35 para. 5 stating quote ;We must point out that the Bible does not speak about homosexuality with a muffled voice.end quote If we are to be followers of Jesus then we must follow the Bible. The Bible is not unclear on the subject of sexual immorality, either homosexual or heterosexual.

    Page 37 paragraphs 2 & 3. Quote; I believe that we as evangelicals have failed these people, many of whom populate our churches. As a pastor I've listened to their stories of brokeness and heartache. I've heard stories of molestation, of the emptiness of sex without commitment, without love, without caring. No matter what we see on televesion, the gay community is hurting, compulsively acting out behavior to cover their pain. These are the people for whom we must have compassion, understanding, and care. Its a hurting world out there, and all of the wells are dry.end quote

    Page 45 para.2 "IT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE MAN TO BE ALONE; I WILL MAKE HIM A HELPER SUITABLE FOR HIM".Gd made a woman.

    Page 59 para. 4. quote, " Evidence suggests that the reason there are more suicides among homosexuals is not because of the ridicule they receive from heterosexuals, but rather because of the inner confilict that the lifestyle of necessity brings with it.end quote

    Quote from page 69 which I wholeheartedly support quote, "When we turn from the Lord, He does not fight for us, but allows us to be distressed by those who oppose us."end quote The cure for our countries moral ailments is Gd.

    Page 73. Quote, "Even if we argue that we are born with certain predispositions, we still have human responsibltiy for our lifestyles and actions. end quote. Choice. Now that is a better philosophy if you ask me, giving someone a choice that is REAL LOVE.

    Page 77 Quote " Chaste homosexuals like chaste herterosexuals, must be enfolded within the community of the church . They need the support of the wider Christian community, and the larger family of God." end quote. I agree. We all need the Truth and God, anything else will not save us and is a lie.

    Page 80 is very, very good too. Quote, " The homosexual movement , with its stringent insistence that all oppositoin be silenced, has been " imposing" its agenda on society with a vengence. end quote. Just look at what they did to me!!!

    Page 83 is frightening. Quote, " Many homsexual males distinguish between emotional fidelity and sexual exclusivity. end quote. Dangerous and sad.

    Page 93 para 2. Third, we must carfully nurtue and protect our young people. Studies have shown that a child who readches puberty can either become a homosexual or heterosexual depending on environmental factors. end quote. TRUTH IN BLACK AND WHITE AS TO WHY THE SCHOOLS ARE RECRUITING OUR CHILDREN.

    And finally the pages that I feel repremand the Church as a whole for not speaking out more and these pages make this book valuable to the Church as a whole. Pages 97, 99,103 All of chapter 6, esp page 107 titiled, WE MUST SEEK GOD.

    - Hope7US July 16, 2009 9:45AM

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  • hallelujahchorus
    Dont mess with traditional marriage

    I agree with ADF that when we mess with traditional marriage we destroy the bedrock of this country and eventually, should we allow ssm to develope further in our society ,it will obliterate this republic.

    - hallelujahchorusUS August 10, 2009 11:36AM

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  • Gamesman
    Non-Reality at it's finest

    I and many others I have met and spoken with over the years can attest to the fallacy of the "normal family". My father was an abusive bully and my mother a depressive alcoholic needless to say mine was not a happy childhood. But they were "normal". I have known many others who were sexually and physically abused by their "normal" parents and had I had a child early (before I learned how to deal with my own problems) I probably would have been abusive. Just being Heterosexual doesn't automatically make you a good parent or person. I think if all couples had to go through the same screening process that gay couples go through the world would be a better place but try getting that approved.

    - GamesmanUS September 18, 2009 4:33PM

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  • Gamesman
    Bull

    I had a "normal" family and I can tell you I was "hit hardest" by my dad. Being straight never means being any better of a person. Most sexual abuse happens at home by a family member or family friend not a stranger, This ideal family that you think of never truly existed. It was all made up Ozzie and Harriet had huge fights you never saw the kids got into trouble and sometimes people got hurt. This is reality. Anything else is just a hopeful dream where everyone is the same and everyone is happy all the time.

    - GamesmanUS November 11, 2009 2:24PM

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