Guns in National Parks a Deadly Decision
Congress passed dangerous legislation permitting the carrying of deadly and loaded guns in national parks, a law soundly rejected by park rangers, conservationists, gun violence prevention advocates and the vast majority of American citizens.
Senator Tom Coburn (OK) hijacked the major credit card reform legislation and cynically attached his gun amendment which would allow individuals to carry loaded firearms in national parks. Coburn took advantage of the bill that was crafted to protect Americans from spurious interest rate hikes and who are drowning in credit card debt by attaching a non-germane bill.
More troubling is that Majority Leader Harry Reid (NV) and the Senate leadership let Coburn get away with this underhanded tactic. The U.S. Senate voted 67-29 for the Coburn amendment.
The majority of the members of Congress showed complete cowardice in refusing to stand up to the gun lobby’s extremist agenda. These members weakened public safety and stripped Americans of their right to enjoy national parks and wilderness areas free from the threat of armed citizens carrying deadly handguns and semi-automatic assault weapons. Yet again, the Obama administration was painfully silent during the debate and failed to exercise leadership in calling for a clean credit card bill without the Coburn Amendment attached.
“Our country was founded on the principal that we are a nation of laws and yet the gun lobby is seemingly advocating anarchy over our own government when it comes to the gun issue,” said Sally Slovenski, Executive Director of Freedom States Alliance. “The Democrats in Congress and in the White House have shown that when it comes to the issue of guns and gun violence prevention policies, our government is being held hostage by the gun lobby.”
“It is absolutely astonishing that while Americans are swamped in credit card debt and now have better protections for their economic security, our very own personal safety is at greater risk traveling to our national parks,” said Scott Vogel, Communications Director for FSA. “During the campaign, President Obama said that government should work for us and help us – not hurt us. Clearly Congress and the White House need to revisit that commitment.”
Despite concerns raised by park rangers, Congress put the safety of national park visitors and wildlife at risk by allowing concealed, loaded firearms at 388 of 391 national park sites. Coburn’s amendment overturned a Reagan-era regulation that allowed unloaded and safely stowed firearms in national parks.
Gun proponents continue to say that prohibitions against carrying guns in national parks violates their Second Amendment rights. But even Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority in the Heller case that stripped D.C. of its handgun ban, stated conclusively: “Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.”

Yes, but only by those that are qualified to carry them as part of their job . Rangers do need guns . Some will also need to be there do their job. Secret Service, for example, should POTUS be visiting a national campground.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary for the preservation of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Definition of MILITIA:
the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service
There is a difference between a civil right and a 'need'. Civil rights are needed in NationaI Parks. The right to bear arms (by other than rangers, police, military, etc) is not needed. If ever it is, then this nation is in serious trouble.
My US Senator voted no to allowing concealed weapons in national parks . I proposed a wager to her that if by the end of her term as Senator, there were NO incidents involving conceal weapons, that she resign and not run for re- election . If on the other hand, it is proven that there is a statistical correlation that having allowed conceal carry in the national parks made them more dangerous, I would donate $1000.00 to her favorite anti-gun organization in her name. She declined.
Do you want to share the name and state of your Senator?
Maybe the whole world should know that "she" declined your offer.
My response is this: I live in Missouri, we only have one female US Senator. I am willing to concede that since my challenge was via electronic means, she may have not even seen or read it. It may have been one of her office flunkies in all likelihood.
Just like our rights don't stop at the door of a restaurant, bank, post office. The government, in its infinite wisdom, thinks our rights are not applicable just because of a sign in front of a building.
Let me take this point by point:
[b]“Congress passed dangerous legislation…”[/b]
Where is the proof that this is dangerous legislation? There are millions of legally armed citizens in this country. If you are not in one of the few states that refuses to issue carry permits to law -abiding citizens, then you have been in line at the grocery store behind someone carrying a firearm legally. You have bumped into them while walking down the street. You have sat next to them at a red light during your commute, or while on vacation. Do they pull out their guns and fire shots in the air while screaming, “Yeeeeee haaaaaaaw”? No.
Why? Because those who choose to legally arm themselves (i.e. carry permit holders) are among the most law-abiding citizens in our nation. The crime rate among permit holders is a fraction of the crime rate among the rest of the population. This is a fact, and it is undisputed by the Brady Campaign.
[b]“These members weakened public safety and stripped Americans of their right to enjoy national parks and wilderness areas free from the threat of armed citizens...”[/b]
This is nothing but fear-mongering and paranoia. Again, people in this country arm themselves on a daily basis all around you, and it is no way affecting your safety. This idea that legal carry permit holders walk around with an itchy trigger finger just waiting to blast a hole in the first thing that moves is not only stupid, but in complete contradiction of facts and history. The thing that the anti-gun agenda leaves out of every one of the satements like the one above is that there is a distinct difference between LEGAL carriers of firearms and those that do so ILLEGALLY.
Banning the legal carry of firearms in our National and State Parks would change nothing. And that’s the problem. There are already people who carry in our parks. The problem is that they are doing so illegally. Allowing those who carry legally to do so in our parks will deter crime, not encourage it.
[b]“Our country was founded on the principal that we are a nation of laws and yet the gun lobby is seemingly advocating anarchy over our own government when it comes to the gun issue.”[/b]
I hereby challenge Ms. Slovenski to produce one notable instance where the NRA, Gun Owner of America, or another major pro-gun lobby has advocated anarchy. All we ask is that you treat the 2nd Ammendment with the same respect as the 1st, or the 4th, or the 5th. You don’t want those others trampled on, so why choose the 2nd?
[b]“It is absolutely astonishing that while Americans are swamped in credit card debt and now have better protections for their economic security, our very own personal safety is at greater risk traveling to our national parks,” [/b]
See above. There is still no basis in fact. People carry legally every day, with very few instances that warrant concern. You have much more to worry about from gang members and other thugs who will carry everywhere regardless of how many laws and statutes are enacted. You’re not preventing crime by limiting access to guns by law-abiding citizens.
[b]“Despite concerns raised by park rangers, Congress put the safety of national park visitors and wildlife at risk by allowing concealed, loaded firearms at 388 of 391 national park sites. Coburn’s amendment overturned a Reagan-era regulation that allowed unloaded and safely stowed firearms in national parks.”[/b]
There’s really not much of a difference here. Guns today are much safer than guns during Reagan’s administration. My personal carry gun has no less than 4 external safety mechanisms that ensure, even when loaded and a round is chambered, that you do not fire a round unaware, or by accident. And that doesn't include internal safety mechanisms.
[b]“Gun proponents continue to say that prohibitions against carrying guns in national parks violates their Second Amendment rights. But even Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority in the Heller case that stripped D.C. of its handgun ban, stated conclusively: ‘Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.’”[/b]
I don’t see how a National Park can be included in the definition of “sensitive places.” National Parks are frequented by the same people who are in your neighborhood, that walk next to you on our streets. Why should there be any more restrictions in parks than in those other places.
There is ample evidence to show that gun control has the effect of encouraging and emboldening criminals. Study after study continues to show this. And study after study continues to be ignored by anti-gun lobbyists. When they produce facts to the contrary, I may be encouraged to reconsider my position.
For too long, people who have been safely and responsibly carrying firearms for personal protection in states containing national parks have been required to surrender that right at the park borders. The newly enacted Coburn amendment allows carrying on national park lands only under the same laws and restrictions as are currently in force in surrounding state lands. There is absolutely no reason or evidence to expect law -abiding gun-carrying people to suddenly become crazed killers or poachers simply because they cross an invisible, imaginary boundary line. On the other hand, there is every reason to believe that the law -breaking people who currently carry illegally off of park lands will give a bit more thought before committing crimes on park lands now that potential victims have the potential of fighting back.
If the National Park Rangers truly believe that self defense is not an issue in national parks, why is every Ranger I've met armed? I know the answer to that and so do the people from Freedom States Alliance. The only Rangers who opposed the Coburn Amendment were the politically appointed management wonks in Washington, DC.
Two national parks are within an hour's drive from my front door. I regularly come into contact with Park Service rangers and speak with them on a personal, unofficial basis. And everyone of the men and women on the ground was and is in favor of the Coburn Amendment because they are the first to admit that bad things can happen to good unarmed people.
Some people are afraid of firearms . Firearms are as safe as cars, power saws, electricity and many other things in every day life.
I read a story about people that were afraid to go to a National Park because they would run into people carry firearms. And the problem is what? 48 states have concealed carry laws. You have been around prople carrying firearms and didn't know it. There are millions of us.
We look just like everyone else. We are factory workers, doctors , farmers, lawyers, nurses, store clerks and house wifes. You have been next to us in super markets, malls, banks and on the street.
We are trained, licensed law abiding citizens that carry a firearm for personal protection. Are we suddenly going to go crazy just because we are in a National Park and start killing people? The only ones who have to fear us are rapists, robbers, and other assorted criminals that wish to harm us.
Quit worrying about us the next time you go to a park, and have a great time!
How many times in the news is it reported that a hiker/camper was mauled by a wild animal, if they were armed the outcome may have been different. How many times is it reported that a hiker/camper was shot by a concealed gun carrier.
The pros for are infinitesimal, the negatives are figments of imagination.
Criminal will carry anywhere, use anywhere.... it is the unarmed law abiding cirizen that is at risk of criminals, not concealed hand gun carriers!