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Create 5 Million New Green Jobs
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By Obama Campaign - Jason Furman, Economic Advisor
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"Michigan 21st Century Jobs Fund"
Has it ever been substantiated that the Michigan 21st Century Jobs Fund works? If so show me.
- TVTantrums
July 25, 2008 11:44AM
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New Jobs???
I would have to question, who would be paying for these new jobs and why the free market is not able to promote a business with sound technology. I understand the need for us (The U. S.) to move away from oil and oil products, but I have ask, shouldn't the marketplace decide which technologies are viable? My other question is what are we to do until this technology or technologies get to the marketplace? This is complex and not easily answered, but we need to work this problem through and not in 10 or so years.
- Rabadamann
October 20, 2008 11:51AM
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'free market'
The 'Free Market' is not free or unbiased. RE is disruptive tech and from every direction has been stopped by oil, utilities, gov policies, ect.
The facts are a solar thermal generator is just a 5hp steam engine, more simple that an ICE, with a 100sq' collector. These can supply installed power for under $4,000/kw easily and supply needed heat, hot water too. A biomass gasifier fed wood pellets, wood chips, ect backup for when the sun don't shine could be used. Coal plants cost that much to build and you still have to pay for the coal which is going up in price a lot.
A windgenerator costs little in materials, I build them for $300 in parts added to a solar thermal generator and an eff house, charge my EV one could get a check back from the utility instead of paying them.
Built in quantity a 3kw solar thermal unit should cost under $3k to produce and a 2kw windgen about $1.5k.
Those are basic facts. Now why haven't they been produced? Because they take power from the big industries and gives it to people.
If I can get start up funding, I can do these as anyone fairly smart can as old tech, mostly forgotten. They are really simple things.
If Obama, Congress passes this I and many more will get into the business making many, many jobs by summer.
McCain has been vague and says drill, baby, drill which only enriches our enemies and makes the US, it's people poor and in oil wars as we are in now. Few know it but the CIA, NeoCons that Iraq probably holds the largest sweet crude oil supply left, the kind our refineries use.
If all the costs were in coal, oil they cause, instead of in my income tax, health, RE would be much cheaper than oil, coal. So get rid of their subsidies, tax them for indirect costs and a real free market would be and RE is the low cost leader.
I live in the best fishing in the US in Fla, both fresh and salt and can only eat them 1/week because of mercury poisoning from coal power plants. Every major coal plant puts out a dirty bombs worth of radioactive material every day!! Google Radioactive Coal Emissions for a real eye opener.
I use to like McCain 2000, before he became a Bush clone. His massive lies in his campaign have shown he has no honor left. Sad.
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- jerryd
November 1, 2008 6:56PM
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John McCain would have brought 10 million
Are you all stupid enough to believe that McCain didn't support "green" energy too? Because he did. He just supported other energy too (nuclear, coal, natural gas, AMERICAN oil). he could have brought all the jobs to the table that Obama promised, and more. Also, raising taxes on the middle class (it WILL happen, Obama voted to raise taxes $42,000 a year while in the senate) is going to make our economy worse. It's been proved time and time again, the only way to rebound from a economic crisis is increased consumer spending, which will NOT happen when consumers (which, a sad truth, is mostly the upper class, but also heavily the middle class) are getting their heads taxed off...
- Brady
November 10, 2008 10:57PM
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