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An Enforced Death Penalty Saves Lives Through Deterrence
- From Criminal Justice Legal Foundation
By Criminal Justice Legal Foundation - Kent Scheidegger
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Loophole Defense
Your last sentence requires that the system change since what you propose restricts (generally) due process and thus is unconstitutional. This may be a desired change but it is one that actually weakens your death penalty argument since these restrictions make it more likely that the guilty are proven as such and the innocent are not. If you concede that death is irreversible then any change that increases likelihood of "false proof" is incompatible as an argument supporting the death penalty.
Assuming that using an imperfect system for deterrence at the risk of harm to innocent persons is unacceptable; regardless of its deterrence effects the system must stand on its own first. Given the maximum harm possible by the system (death) what is the maximum level of risk/accuracy we are willing to accept (false positive percentage). If our courts can be shown to meet that level of accuracy then the system should be deemed acceptable otherwise it should be canned. What level of accuracy would you impose on a system for which an inaccurate result ends in death? How accurate is our current system? What is the cost associated with this and other levels of accuracy?
- polobo
August 30, 2008 8:17PM
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Call that logic? Go to the bottom of the logic class.
I don't suppose it cuts any ice with you that the rest of the world sees this as pre-historic? I also don't suppose it matters that those countries that don't have the death penalty don't have as many murders as the USA? Your logic is flawed and outdated. The death penalty is a sign of a society that is backward. You're in bed with China and all the other backward countries in the world. Shame. Why don't we start burning witches again too?
- ukmarcus
September 3, 2008 5:23PM
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Death Penalty is NOT a Deterrent
The mind of a person who commits a murder can only be in a limited number of states at the time of the crime . 1. They do not believe they will be caught. 2. They are in such a rage that they don't care if they are caught. 3. They are unaware of the seriousness of the crime or they don't believe what they are doing is wrong. (Usually insanity or mental retardation is a factor) 4.In rare cases, they want to be caught.
In any of those cases the death penalty has no detterent effect, whatsoever.
- Dank
March 25, 2009 11:29AM
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From experience
I have had reason to go to prisons in connection with my former work. I can tell you that the death penalty is more welcome for a perpetrator than life without parole. Life places him in the population where his life is worth nothing. The death penalty is not and has never been a deterrent for the criminal. If he thinks about it at all he does not feel he will be caught.
- oneoldman
July 30, 2009 12:39PM
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No proof of deterence only proof of revenge and retribution
Among the innumerable,screwed up, neo-con principles that seperates Americans and divides this nation, the death penalty is a core tenet........an eye for an eye, assuage your grief (fear,loathing,anger, superiority, etc.) by punishing the offender and if a few mistakes are made, too bad.
In most civilized societies, the idea of killing the killer is contradictory, ignorant and clearly ineffective. If the crime is pre-meditated, the last thing going through the criminals mind is being caught and facing a death penalty. If the crime is one of spontaneous rage, the fear of apprehension or subsequent death is totally absent, at least until the offender returns to a calmer state. If the crime is a toxic blend of addiction and insane pleasure(serial killers) getting caught and being executed are, more or less minor irritations, if not welcome relief. If the crime is a "professional hit" or something similar then there is little fear of the consequences and a surity of being able to evade them easily. If the crime is accidental, there is no death penalty, unless it occurs in the committing of another crime ( robbery , rape , etc.) and so on.
Those who quote spurious and highly politically spun "statistics, research and proofs" that the death penalty is an effective deterrent are in the same class as those who claim their particular religious dogmas, books, beliefs, words of Divine guidance, ad nausea are deluded and morally simplistic.
Every religious text has, among other Values, the basic tenet that the sanctity of life is unbreachable and that no one has God's authorization to take life, period. Despite this, the fanatical religious right, along with the fanatical terrorist minorities and the dissolute, corrupt dictators worldwide perversly adhere to their "right"to kill whomever they determine to be enemies of God, the State, criminals or even their personal adversaries.
I am a proud citizen of a nation who has ended capital punishment decades past and it is one of the safest, least violent countries in the world. We also strictly control access to weapons by the general public AND employ an effective, carefully monitored supervision and training for those given the priviledge to own a weapon. Our violent crime rate has declined over the past 40 years by about .8% per year while about 5% of those imprisoned for a capital crime have subsequently been released as innocent of their original "crime". It is singularly hypocritical to maintain that the most just and rightful punishment for murder is to murder the offender, but the gut satisfying appeal of watching the person who murdered being subjected to the same treatment as their victim(s) is a particularly difficult addiction to break.
- weedonald
November 11, 2009 12:39PM
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