A Fundamental Secular and Religious Difference
Quite simply, there cannot and should not be any
form of global censorship. However, it is important for both Muslims (ranging
from the secular to the very orthodox) and non-Muslims (ranging from Christian
conservatives to atheists) to discuss what is acceptable—and what is merely
hurtful or disrespectful. If a majority of Muslims consider the publication of
their Prophet's image to be disrespectful, there must be a discussion on what
message such publication sends—whether consciously or not--as well as the short
and long-term implications. It is also worth noting that conservative religious
individuals, even those from different faiths, tend to side together on this
issue. So in some ways what we are dealing with here is not unique to Islam,
but is instead a fundamental difference between religious individuals, who
believe in a respect for the sacred, traditions, and jurisprudence, and secular
individuals, who believe in the values of enlightenment, civil liberty, and the
freedom of expression regardless of impact.

As Muhammad said, “war is deceit,” and us ill-informed, timorous, naïve, and easily fooled “unbelievers” have had sand thrown in our eyes, our hopes and fears are being played on like a cheap Chinese violin and, buffeted, blinded and disoriented, we are constantly being turned around, mislead and deceived by Muslims, by Islam and by their agents and allies and partisans in the West; we are being very carefully led down the path to our own destruction.
As has already been said, while there may be “moderate Muslims” there is no “moderate Islam,” and the fact of the matter is that, as the writer says, a la Mao and his “Peoples War,” the sea of “moderate Muslims” is where the Jihadis swim, and get their oxygen, their food , and their concealing cover. If it were not for the absolutely essential cover and support they receive from “moderate Muslims,” the Jihadis would not be able to operate with anywhere near the freedom that they currently have; Muslim solidarity against us hated “unbelievers,” and the law of Muslim “Omerta” have served the Jihadis extremely well.
The Jihadis are not “Islamists” or “radicals,” or “fundamentalist” Muslims, nor are they a “fringe group” but rather, they are very much mainstream Muslims for, from what they say, from the passages of the Qur’an, from the sayings and incidents in Muhammad’s career, from the precedents from Muslim history they cite as justifications for their actions, they are grounded in, embody, and are acting out the fundamental viewpoint, tenets and goal of the conversion, enslavement, or killing of all unbelievers and of the world’s conquest by Islam that is the central thrust of the Qur’an, of Muhammad’s life, and of Islam itself.
The billion or so “moderate Muslims” are ominously silent spectators, gathered on the sidelines of the current battlefield where their more activist coreligionists, the Jihadis, attack and fight and kill us unclean, hated “unbelievers” (including those Muslims who the Jihadis find insufficiently orthodox in viewpoint, or those Muslims who unfortunately happen to be “collateral damage” when the Jihadis are just trying to “get ‘er done”). I view the silence of these “moderate Muslims” and their inaction—no statements or demonstrations of any kind or size against Jihad and Muslim violence and terror, no proposed major excision of the violent parts from the Qur’an, or popular centers, leaders, or movements pushing this idea–as acquiescence, not disapproval, for, after all, the Qur’an tells them that any spoils wrested from the unbelievers will be their legitimate war booty. They are not our saviors; they are Islam’s reserve battalions, which will come in on the side of the Jihadis for the final kill.
Islam is not a religion but a violent, supremacist, totalitarian military and political ideology cloaked in the thinnest of religious disguise, an ideology that has been very carefully created to be impervious to reform, and any real and thorough reform would take the heart out of Islam and destroy it. While “containment” of Islam might be possible, compromise with Islam is not; Islam is not built for compromise.
There really are only one of two possible outcomes here, either the “unbeliever” democracies of the West recover their “civilizational confidence,” and their clear moral vision, we decide that us unbelievers and our civilization and ideals are, indeed, worth defending and fighting for, and after a very long or a very short and incredibly bloody struggle involving nuclear weapons, Islam is decisively defeated, or Islam wins its war of deceit, subversion and violence, the West and all its nations and peoples are conquered and enslaved, and we enter a new Dark Ages.
No one knows. I don't think that there are any images drawn, or made during his lifetime that exist today. Thus, any image that is drawn and labeled as Mohammed, the Prophet of Islam, is going to be offensive, regardless of what it looks like. What offends is the label. A drawing of a dog is a dog. However if the drawing is labeled Mohammed it is offensive. A drawing of an alien is an alien. If it is labeled Mohammed it is offensive. The point is this - the offense taken is actually without any basis whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned you can label a picture of a pig, Mohammed and it would fit to me. I'm sorry if that offends. It just pleases my sensibilities.
Islam does not observe the iconography that Christianity does: In some
Muslim countries, school crossing signs and restroom doors have figures
without heads as it is believed that any image of people [let alone the
major prophet of their faith] is wrong. In many Christian sects icons,
statues, large paintings of Yeshu'a [Jesus] abound and his image is prom
inently placed in the family shrine, usually next to the TV...While a
few old-order Christians do not allow any human face images and do not
have religious artwork in their homes or places of worship, I think we
shud leave Islam to its own beliefs and not expect 'Mohammed-Art' in
Mosques, Copies of The Quran, in Muslim cemeteries and on T-shirts...
Aaron Allen..
Unless journalists exercise free speech, the intimidators have won. I think it needs to be sublime--millions of publications at once, a regular onslaught of Mohammed images. We are watching fundamentalist religious zealots successfully implement sharia law even in countries that have free speech written into their constitutions. People are inflicting it on themselves out of fear.
I think the only way to break the chokehold that Islam has on the world is to avoid adopting sharia, even if we must give our lives for it. Live free or die.
I'm something of a first amendment extremist and I tend to get annoyed when people mistake censorship for editorial intelligence.
The question is not "Can the media publish images of Muhammad?" It's a question of "should."
Legally the media CAN publish the most offensive, pornographic caricatures of Muhammad that it wants. And I'll defend its right to do so adamantly.
On the question of whether it SHOULD, we're in dramatically different territory. I don't see much point in publishing editorial cartoons of Muhammad. I have some background in journalism and were I an editor I'd probably encourage my cartoonist to make the same point in a different way that doesn't provoke quite as much rage. I've written film reviews and opinion columns in the past where my editor has asked me to tone down a sexual reference. Did I feel "censored" maybe a little. Did I really NEED the sexual reference to make my point? No, not really. In the same sense, cartoonists don't NEED to provoke the response that a cartoon of Mohammad would generate.
Not publishing something because it is objectionable is the very definition of censor, as a transitive verb.
The form of censorship that consists of choosing not to publish (or, presumably, say, write, or otherwise express) something because it is objectionable doesn't seem to be much of a problem at all. As has been pointed out, everyone regularly censors what they express. This form of censorship doesn't seem to be a problem, since generally it seems to be a good thing that people should be free to censor what they do, often in order to achieve further goals. Things like choosing not to publish a controversial book because it is unlikely to sell seems to be something allowable in a free society . These types of self-censorship reflect the fact that people have goals and values which sometimes trump self-expression.
We should distinguish, at the least, between the rough categories of self-censorship and imposed censorship. Sure the categories are rough and there are doubtless many cases that blur the lines, but the point is that, regardless of what dictionairies may say, there are different forms of censorship, at least one of which is allowable, even desirable, and at least one of which seems to pose problems and make people nervous. We shouldn't conflate them, even if it is not a distinction the dictionary makes.
I agree with you to a certain extent, but I think there is a very fine line, here. If a writer or artist censors him or herself, then certainly, the press is still free. If, however, the press is essentially forced to adopt principles of censorship out of fear of violence or murder, and to compel individual writers and artists to abide by such censorial directives, then I fail to see how this does not constitute censorship.
If a country's newspapers fail to print negative commentary about the country's leadership because the leadership has a policy of punishing the press for such honesty in reporting, this is most certainly censorship. But if the press similarly fails to print negative commentary about the leadership, but this time because it fears threats of violence from individuals or groups who support that government, is not the effect the same? Are not both of these forms of censorship?
This isn't just a case of the press "not wanting to offend," or wanting to exercise "good judgment" or "propriety." This is a case in which journalists and political artists are genuinely AFRAID to print the truth, because their lives, well-being, and safety of their businesses have been threatened.
I think that qualifies as censorship.
We're not talking about journalists being afraid to print "the truth." We're not talking about journalists being censored about printing stories that are critical of radical Islam. We're talking about editors choosing not to print offensive caricatures of the prophet Muhammad. We're talking about cartoons that are specifically designed to incite anger. That's a big difference.
Let me be perfectly clear. Should governments forbid the image of Muhammad from being printed or satirized? Absolutely not. Should Muslims react violently to images of Muhammad? Absolutely not. Should editors have the right to choose not to run offensive caricatures of Muhammad that bring nothing to the table? Absolutely. Governments should not censor, however, private publications within the free market have the right to censor and edit what they choose to publish.
Further, it's not censorship if someone intimidates me or threatens me with violence if I say something offensive. It's just intimidation.
"In the same sense, cartoonists don't NEED to provoke the response that a cartoon of Mohammad would generate."
This statement implies that the Muslim reaction to the depiction of Mohammad is automatic and justified. Does it matter to you at all that the prohibition of depicting Muhammad is meant to prevent idolatry and not to prevent hurt feelings?
If my statement implies what you're reading into it's because you haven't read my other comments on this issue and are reading it out of context. The Muslim reaction is neither automatic nor justified.
No, the supposedly correct theological meanings behind the prohibition of images of Muhammad are irrelevant to the discussion.
My argument is this and perhaps it will make more sense. If I'm an editor of a newspaper, should I publish offensive caricatures of a religious figure who's deeply important to millions of people? No. Now, would I be willing to publish essays and arguments that would challenge ideas deeply important to millions of people? Certainly. While I wouldn't run a cartoon of Mohammad I'd certainly run an op/ed by a critic of Islam like Robert Spencer. Similarly, in my own writings critical of Evangelical Christianity I form arguments and present ideas. I don't commission my artist fiancee to draw pornographic representations of Jesus.
It's not a question of can, it's a question of should. It's not a question of whether dogmas should be challenged, it's a question of how. Comprende?
"If I'm an editor of a newspaper, should I publish offensive caricatures of a religious figure who's deeply important to millions of people? No."
Two huge problems with your reasoning.
1) We're not discussing "offensive caricatures" we're discussing "depicting Mohammed". You are conflating the two, inappropriately.
2) Your restriction applies to a VAST number of public figures, including athletes, rock stars heads of state, religious figures, etc. You have just outlawed political cartooning as a whole.
Sorry, your points just have no merit at all.
Two huge problems with your misinterpretations.
1. Yes, we are discussing "offensive caricatures." One of the drawings of Muhammad that I recall was a caricature of him with a bomb in his turban. Second, any image of Muhammad is going to be "offensive" to a Muslim. To create or publish any image is to disrespect their religion .
2. I'm not making any restrictions nor am I outlawing anything. I'm talking about a specific kind of image in a specific publication for specific reasons. Public figures, including athletes, rock stars, heads of state, whoever, can say whatever they want and can publish whatever image of Mohammed they want. They just don't have the right to do it in a mainstream newspaper that I'm editing. I'm the editor, I decide what goes in. If I were editing a magazine meant to offend (like Hustler Magazine) or doing a show like South Park then it'd be a different story.
The points that have no merit at all are the ones you're sticking in my mouth -- ones that I don't have. Your inability to see nuance and ambiguity on this issue troubles me. Publishing the images of Mohammed should certainly be legal . My point is that if you're running a newspaper whose point is to have civil dialogue then it makes no sense to publish an image that's going to offend your Muslim readers. It's a pretty basic point that I hope you'd be able to get.
This is a discussion about whether journalists should publish the images. (I say it's impossible any way since we don't know what Muhammad looked like). Basically it isn't nice to knowingly insult people so doing so just makes such a person a jerk. Many journalists seem to think they are immune from simple moral decency and don't care who they offend. However sometimes such insults are necessary to get a point across. Journalists can't let fear of insulting someone get in the way of the truth.
David, again I think we are mainly in agreement. Governments should not practice censorship (though they do, even the USA, on a regular basis for a variety of reasons). Muslims should not threaten or enact violence when someone draws a picture or cartoon of Mohammed. Editors should be able to practice their editorial policies freely, up to and including asking a reporter, journalist or artist to "tone it down a tad."
However, "censorship" is not strictly a governmental concept. Individuals censor themselves (and quite appropriately so, in many cases). Employers censor their employees to avoid offending customers (how many employers would allow their receptionist to greet clients with the "f" word?). Censorship takes place in many contexts and for many reasons. Some of those reasons and contexts are perfectly reasonable.
But when censorship takes place out of a fear of violence or murder, this presents a problem, in my opinion. Should the editor have the RIGHT to tell his or her employee to not draw pictures of Mohammed to be placed in the newspaper? Sure. They have that right. They are the boss of the newspaper. They decide the content.
But I think the REASONS behind the censorship policy are the crucial issue. If the editorial policy of the newspaper is, "We don't print pictures of Mohammed because a significant portion of our customer base finds such pictures offensive and would probably stop purchasing our newspaper," then clearly this is a matter of simple economics. If, however, the editorial policy of the newspaper is, "We don't rpint pictures of Mohammed because, even though our customer base would NOT be offended by such pictures and our newpaper would sell like hotcakes, we live in fear of a group of violent people who have professed their intent to murder anyone who DOES print such a picture," this presents a problem.
No one should be allowed to suppress free speech through governmental oppression OR through threats of violence. This would be similar to a situation in which the Chicago Tribune might have an editorial policy (probably unwritten) of not printing stories about the activities of Capone employees, because Mr. Capone said he'd whack the editor or reporter if he saw such a story.
I understand that the Prophet Mohammed is emphatically NOT a gangster, and I'm not comparing him to one (see me covering my a** here? Everyone is a bit paranoid...). But some people who profess to be his followers act a bit like gangsters in some cases. This is such a case.
Certainly reporters, editors, artists, photographers and other journalists have the right to protect their lives and property by succumbing to the pressure to not print such material, but to argue that censorship by fear is not censorship because it is not legal censorship by government strikes me as disingenuous.
I agree that we want to try to avoid offending people. But Jews don't kill people for speaking or writing the name of God, even though they consider it sacred and never to be written. Catholics are offended because of the recent representation of a naked woman as (ostensibly) the Virgin of Guadalupe on the cover of Playboy, but I haven't seen anything about death threats being made. Public pressure is one thing. Death threats are quite another.
It is selfish and narrow-minded to needlessly incite devout people, but censorship is a greater evil. The experts here seem to be completely in agreement. Is there a subtlety that I am missing?
A GOOD reason to publish caricatures of Muhammad comes from the very purpose of art, to evoke a reaction. When Muhammad is cited by people who are committing atrocities, their actions constitute a severe desecration of the faith. Images of that desecration serve as a potent description of the world's reaction. The offended should focus their anger on the true infidels.
I think anyone with half a brain in his head can understand the argument I'm making. Anyone can clearly see that I'm not talking about this issue from "a law making standpoint." It's certainly legal to publish images of Muhammad and I'll defend to the death that right. What I'm talking about here is "should a family newspaper publish images of Muhammad that will needlessly offend its readers." And my answer is a sensible no. The paper has the right to, no question about it, but SHOULD it? Probably not.
Blappo here doesn't seem to get this distinction. Or perhaps he does. I really don't know nor do I care. And why is that? Because Blappo isn't interested in intellectual discussion. He fits every definition of being an internet troll:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_ (Internet)
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."
It says nowhere in the Bill of Rights that an editor is required to publish material that he doesn't want to. Here's the text:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion , or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Nowhere do I see a totalitarian command that I as an editor publish images of Mohammed. All I see is my right to do so if I so CHOOSE.
Blappo truly reveals himself as a troll in his final comment though -- an ad hominem attack on my character made all the more amusing by how wrong it is. Since he wanted to go there we certainly can. Contrary to his assumptions I'm neither a college student nor a marijuana smoker. I graduated years ago with degrees in English and Political Science. And I do in fact inhabit the "real world," I supplement my income as a free lance writer. My film reviews are published by WTHR and my political commentaries are published by David Horowitz's Front Page Magazine and occasionally other venues.
http://www.wthr.com/Global/category.asp?C=79362&nav=menu188_6
http://frontpagemag.com/bioAuthor.aspx?AUTHID=3898
Thus it's demonstrated that perhaps I know just a tad more about journalism than Blappo here.
Is that "real world" and "grown up" enough for Blappo?
Who's ever paid Blappo for his commentary? What venue does he publish in? Oh yeah. I forgot. Nobody publishes internet trolls' rants. Too bad for him. Perhaps he's he one that needs to grow up and join "the real world." Or maybe -- hopefully -- he'll just slink back under the bridge with the rest of the trolls while the rest of us engage in more meaningful dialogue.
I saw a quote that seems especially relevant for Blappo on the homepage here when I logged in:
"When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate." - Addison Whithecomb